Beautiful! Zeus is Dead however….God is still alive
“Isaiah 42:1-9 KJV
[1] Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. [2] He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. [3] A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. [4] He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. [5] Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: [6] I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; [7] to open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. [8] I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. [9] Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
Did you know that the Biblical writings from the BC (BCE) predicted a coming “Servant/Messiah” who would bring God’s word to the nations world over? Did you know that Jesus claimed to be that Messiah and claimed that His message would go to the nations world over? Did you know that Jesus predicted both good and bad players in His multicultural kingdom? Did you know Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world? And yet the gates of hell would not prevail against it.
The rest is history….
Trust Jesus over the gods of your age though they may be but mere men! God bless…
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and yet, you can’t show your god exists any mroe than someone who believes in Zeus can show that it exists. Theists are so funny with their incomptent lies and attempts to all use the same arguments for their imaginary friends. alas, your lies about prophecies fail miserably. You have stories about prophecies, which don’t fit your jesuss, and then you have stories of the prophecies coming true, when no one noticed your jesus at all. Quite the fail.
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What do you mean by “when no one noticed your jesus at all”? And how does the prophecy say in Isaiah 49:6 not fit well with Jesus? Do you have another candidate even close to Jesus? Certainly you are not going to argue Zeus or Thor!
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No one noticed jesus, TJ. No one noticed this guy who was supposedly followed around by enough men to form a roman legion, twice, and this was supposedly in the rebellious province of Judea. No one noticed his miracles despite the bible claiming he was famous around the middle east. Not a single contemporary mention was made about him. No one noticed the major earthquake, the sky darkening or the dead jews wandering around roman-occupied Jerusalem during a passover. The romans, the jews and even paul managed to miss those things.
Isaiah 49 has this:
“Listen to me, O coastlands,
pay attention, you peoples from far away!
The Lord called me before I was born,
while I was in my mother’s womb he named me.2 He made my mouth like a sharp sword, in the shadow of his hand he hid me; he made me a polished arrow, in his quiver he hid me away. 3 And he said to me, ‘You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.’
4 But I said, ‘I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nothing and vanity;
yet surely my cause is with the Lord, and my reward with my God.’
5 And now the Lord says, who formed me in the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob back to him, and that Israel might be gathered to him, for I am honoured in the sight of the Lord, and my God has become my strength—6 he says,‘It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the survivors of Israel;I will give you as a light to the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.’”
This is about Israel since we have this god saying exactly who this is about “‘You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.’” not your imaginary friend. It’s also notable how your jesus fails the claims in Isaiah 49 since he failed miserably in this “‘Kings shall see and stand up, princes, and they shall prostrate themselves,because of the Lord, who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.’”
No need for “another candidate” since the whole thing is a story. As for Zeus and Thor, do show that they dont’ exist, TJ. Surely you can, right? It is very hard to show somethign doesn’t exist. It should be easy for you to show your version of the christian god exists, but you can’t.
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Many points could be made in response to your first paragraph. And thanks for clarifying what you were saying.
Jesus did not walk around with a legion of followers all the time. And most of his ministry was in Galilee. There were events where crowds gathered, yes, but there are plenty of incidents where it is just him and his disciples and at best 70 or so followers who, at a point in Jesus’ conversation, left him. He was popular, but he also said things that turned people off, and people were scared to follow Jesus because of the Pharisees and what not. Only 1 of 10 of those he healed at one point returned to thank him. Jesus even criticized people who followed him for the signs and food etc. etc. etc. Jesus was a complicated and complex figure, and still is.
Are you aware of any contemporary historical writings dating to the mid-to-early 1st century?
There are various interpretations from a Christian perspective of the raising-of-the-dead event. It is admittedly curious, but would need to study on that further. I will say this: this seems to be events that didn’t all happen at once during his death, as it reads “many” came out of the graves after Jesus rose from the dead. We don’t know how many and for how long, and they only appeared in Jerusalem, so Paul himself did not witness this and maybe found it hard to believe himself, much like Thomas. So, I’ll leave it there for now on that one.
Now, on Isaiah 49:1-6. You are right that the servant is called Israel. But this servant named Israel is to restore Israel, and so we have 2 Israels. One is the Servant and the other is the yet-unrestored Israel that this servant is to restore. And notice this whole scenario is being spoken to the nations to understand (Isaiah 49:1), and who else but Jesus has been that light to the nations! Jesus is the one who brought Moses, Noah, Adam and Eve, the prophets, and the writings (the Scriptures that both Israelites and Christians believe in). Jesus is the Israeli servant that has been our light and covenant, and many believe that at some point physical Israel will be gathered and restored. I am not entirely sure where I am at on this issue, as I see good arguments on both sides, but Jesus clearly fits the Servant here that is not the unrestored Israel. He is rather the restorer of Israel and the light to the nations.
As far as the “kings and princes,” have ye not read history?
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Many points could be made. Most would be false, and you still have no evidence your imaginary friend exists.
Jesus literally walked around with a legion of followers per the bible at least twice. So your attempts to claim otherwise is just hilarious.
“33 Now many saw them going and recognized them, and they hurried there on foot from all the towns and arrived ahead of them. 34 As he went ashore, he saw a great crowd; and he had compassion for them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd; and he began to teach them many things. 35 When it grew late, his disciples came to him and said, ‘This is a deserted place, and the hour is now very late; 36 send them away so that they may go into the surrounding country and villages and buy something for themselves to eat.’” Mark 6
“In those days when there was again a great crowd without anything to eat, he called his disciples and said to them, 2 ‘I have compassion for the crowd, because they have been with me now for three days and have nothing to eat. 3 If I send them away hungry to their homes, they will faint on the way—and some of them have come from a great distance.’” Mark 8
Yep, the stories have that the crowds eventually stopped coming, and you still have no evience there were any crowds at all, or that jesus christ merely existed. Again, why did no one notice, TJ? Your bible claims that jesus was famous throughout the middle east, and yet no one writes about him and the events around him. The only source you have is the bible which is a set of claims, nothing else. You have no evidence for your 1 in ten nonsense either.
Jesus is a complex figure since the gospels can’t agree on who he was and what he wanted, much like the Christians today. Christians can’t agree if they want to invent a nationalist Christian jesus who hates the poor or a warm fuzzy jesus who is a complete pacifist. This is what happens when you make things up.
yes, I am aware of various historical writings in that period. I do wonder if you mean writings about the history of the period or writings done during that period. Pliny the Elder wrote things, as did Seneca the younger. Lucan wrote things. Notably, the gospels aren’t among them.
Yep, Christians don’t agree on what their bible means, so yep, they each invent what they want the bible to “really” mean. So you have nothing yet again, and can’t show that your jesus existed or the events around him happened. The rising of the dead jews is a problem for your cult and you have to whine about how it needs to be studied. Your cult has had 2000+ years and still can’t agree and still can’t show that any of your nonsense is true.
I do love your version where you have to try to lie and claim that it didn’t happen all at once, when your bible says otherwise. Paul was in Jerusalem at that time, so you have nothing.
“0 Then Jesus cried again with a loud voice and breathed his last.[r] 51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53 After his resurrection they came out of the tombs and entered the holy city and appeared to many.”
So this happened as a result of the death of jesus a singular event that didn’t keep happening. Supposedly ‘many’ people saw them and yet not a single person remarked about that, Jewish or roman or paul. Paul claims to have been raised in Jerusalem and to have been taught by a rabbi who was there “3 ‘I am a Jew, born in Tarsus in Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, educated strictly according to our ancestral law, being zealous for God, just as all of you are today. “ – acts 22 Paul would have been in Jerusalem for that supposed Passover, so again your myth makes no sense and doesn’t work. Why would the converted paul never mention this when he went out of his way to invent 500 people who saw witnessed the resurrection? Why does he manage to miss the first witnesses of jesus, the women?
Yep, you’ll leave it there since you have nothing.
I know I’m right that your claims about Isaiah 49 are false. No two israels, just the false claims of a Christian who needs to invent prophecies. There is no audience for the speech so your claims about that also fail. Your reasoning is hilariously circular when you claim that only your imaginary friend has been the light to nations. You simply assume jesus is the Jewish messiah when he fails that repeatedly. Jesus did not “bring” any of the old testament and its characters to anyone, but nice false claim yet again.
Curious how Israel has claimed to be gathered already by Christians and yet again, your end times nonsense still hasn’t happened. It’s hilarious how you poor cultists can’t agree about that nonsense either. I really enjoy that so many Christians have had to adjust their “prophecies” since no sign of your god yet. Now rather than going from the 1948 date Christians are scrambling to insist that it really is one of the other dates in Israeli history.
That you have no idea where you are on this issue is further evidence how Christians simply make things up. Your “christ” does not fit the servant since this servant is supposed to be admired by people during its life, and your jesus failed that hard.
The nonsense about kings and princes were references to contemporary ones so your lies fail yet again, dear.
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Concerning Pliny, Seneca, and Lucan… are you aware of any surviving accounts of history they wrote about happenings in Judea, and what their focus was? Did they write about various different religious beliefs or describe the religious life of the time, or did they focus on rebellions, wars, and uprisings?
I stand by my first statement concerning a crowd the size of a Roman legion following Jesus around all the time.
Concerning Paul: Thomas didn’t believe even though his very own friends were reporting on it. Paul could have had a number of different reasons for not mentioning the women to the Corinthians. It could be (though I don’t know for sure) be that he would focus on evidence that would be persuasive to the Corinthians at the time, and mentioning the women would not have added to what he wrote. I assume there could be many different reasons, but this doesn’t mean that he didn’t know about the women himself.
Concerning the 1 in 10, it is Luke 17:11–19, and concerning the appearance of the resurrected ones, it clearly says that after Jesus was resurrected they appeared to many. We do not know how many people they appeared to or whether the appearances were even public, but it is recorded that this did happen after Jesus was resurrected.
Isaiah 49 clearly tells of two Israels. Let’s read it carefully. The servant is clearly called Israel—I fully agree with you! But this servant who is called Israel is to restore Israel. Two Israels. It’s not hard to see; it just takes a fair reading of the text. Jesus has clearly been a light to the nations, as is evidenced by history through His obedient followers:
“And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.’ Amen.” (Matthew 28:18–20)
There has been no other figure in history who has brought the Tanakh to the world and in this way (among others) has been the light to the nations like Jesus.
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Here we go again. Pliny, Seneca, etc wrote about Christians and what they believed not a single one of them said the cult’s belief were true. That you stand by your lies isn’t anything surprising. It doesn’t make them true.
Nothing shows that the apostles, including Thomas, existed. All you have is a fairy tale about someone doubting and sticking their fingers in wounds. Then you try to claim that Paul simply must have had “reasons” why he got his stories wrong and why they contradict the gospels. It’s hilarious how you cultists have to constantly have to add nonsense to your bible to make it make the least amount of sense. Do explain why not mentioning the women would have been okay since they supposedly had the honor of being the very first to witness the resurrection.
Curous how no one mentions dead jews wandering around at all. The bible does indeed say they appeared to many, and no one saw fit to mention this. ROFL. Then you have to make up evne more lies to add to your bible to try to explain why no one mentioned them. It’s hilarious how you then try to claim that your bible is evidence for itself, with the one in ten nonsense.
It’s lovely how you also try to claim that the dead must have been seen in private. Curious how your bible doesn’t agree with that either. “53 After his resurrection they came out of the tombs and entered the holy city and appeared to many. 5”
Isaiah 49 does not show two israels. Sure, let’s read it carefully.
“And he said to me, ‘You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.’”
And
“And now the Lord says, who formed me in the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob back to him, and that Israel might be gathered to him,for I am honoured in the sight of the Lord,
and my God has become my strength—6 he says, ‘It is too light a thing that you should be my servant, to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the survivors of Israel;”
It is confusing which is nothing surprising. The book of Isaiah repeatedly has that Israel, the entity of the culture, is the servant. There is no instance of jesus being considered the nation of Israel or a servant. Jesus has not been a light to nations, since Christians can’t even agree onwhcih version is the right one. Funny how world rulers had no idea jesus existed much less thinking he had any authority at all. Christians must make false claims since their supposed messiah failed to be of any interest to world rulers at all when he was supposedly alive, which is what Isaiah claims.
Unsurprsingly, your jesus didn’t bring the tanahk to the world since you Christians have managed to mangle it and ignore what it says.
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Curious to know what they wrote about the Christians? And I am not expecting a worshipper of Zeus or Plato or what not to write a Biblical account of Jesus anyhow…
Again, I stand by what I typed on the issue of Paul. Again, there could have been ample reasons as to why he did not mention the women or the many that appeared to many at the holy city only.
I stand behind the passage in Isaiah 49:6 that there is a servant named Israel that will restore Israel and be a light to the nations! Jesus has been a light to the nations! There has been no other that has brought Scripture awareness to the nations like what He founded. Jesus, said to expect tares amongst the wheat and the apostle Paul and Peter pigging backing of Jesus both said the same.
And yet none the less the Scriptures have been translated into more languages than any other book hands down and that done by disciples of Jesus Christ thru out the ages of Christianity even in their various denominations and sects.
“For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, As the waters cover the sea.” Habakkuk 2:14
“And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” – Luke 24:47
The rest is history…
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I know what ancient writers have written about Christians. Again, not a single one said what Christians believed was true.
A worshipper of one religion can write about others. Christians often write about Islam and various pagan religions, so shall we discount their claims?
That you stand by nonsense is nothing new. That still doesn’t make it true. You claim “ample reasons” and have none. Like many religions, you simply assume that your cult’s nonsense has reasons behind it and isn’t baseless nonsense.
Jesus has not been a light to nations since there is no one jesus. Christians do not agree on what their “scriptures” even mean, so all your cult does has splintered and murdered each other over your differences. Paul contradicts jesus, so your claims are rather silly.
There are at least three completely different bibles and not one of them can be shown as any better than the rest. That nonsense can be translated doesn’t mean it’s true. Christians can’t even agree on the translations, so again your argument fails miserably.
Nice verse from Habakkuk, but again reality shows how Christians can’t even agree on which “lord” is the right one. History shows how your cult can’t agree on the most basic things.
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“shall we discount their claims?” No we shouldn’t and I wouldn’t discount the pagan writers writing about Christinaity but I also wouldn’t expect them to believe it as I dont expect Christian writers to believe the pagan beliefs.
More people know about the Tanakh because Jesus entered history as opposed to not. He does indeed historically fulfill what the prophets predicted!
The divisions have always been there from the get go and always will be. Jesus predicted this and so did the New Testament writers and it has always been the case in Israel amongst all the extinct false gods/baals of those days and yet Yahweh is proclaimed unlike any other has ever been proclaimed and you can thank Christ thru the Church for that.
“Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.” – Ephesians 3:20,21
P.S. – Can I at least get you to ponder the possibility that Christianity has brought the Tanakh to more lands and people groups and languages and tribes and cultures than Jews who do not believe in Jesus have?
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So your prior claim “And I am not expecting a worshipper of Zeus or Plato or what not to write a Biblical account of Jesus anyhow…” is now contradicted by your current claim “No we shouldn’t and I wouldn’t discount the pagan writers writing about Christinaity but I also wouldn’t expect them to believe it as I dont expect Christian writers to believe the pagan beliefs.”
Belief is not needed to document what a cult believes. That documentation oesn’t make a cult’s beliefs true.
Most people have no idea what the Tanakh says, especially Christians. You all do your best to ignore what it says and what jesus says to follow. So your nonsense fails hilariously. The Jewish messiah is to have admiration from worldly leaders while alive. Poor ol’ JC really missed that mark. Christians do not follow the Jewish laws, so JC also failed miserably on that too. The Jewish messiah is said to not be violent, and to not speak during his trials. JC fails with that.
Yes, divisions in your cult have been there since it started which shows your imaginary friend is notably incompetent in getting its message across using puny humans. It is no magical prediction to know how humans act, so you also fail with that one. That your particular god is unique doesn’t make it any more true. Allah is also proclaimed unlike any other so I guess the muslims are right per your own argument.
Curious how your god doesn’t do anything at all, so nattering from your cult’s book doesn’t help other than show how it fails miserably.
Again, Christianity, the many many versions of it, has not spread the Jewish law or knowledge. Christians themselves are hilariously ignorant about what the tanakh even says. And even if Christianity did do what you claim? that still doesn’t make you cult’s lies true.
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The Tanakh says clearly in Isaiah 49:6
1) that there is a servant who is named Israel that is to restore Israel. (Clearly two different Israels!).
2) And that this servant named Israel will be a light to the nations NOT the to-be-restored Israel. Plain and simple…
If you disagree with this than I argue that you disagree with the Tanakh and not me.
Jesus fits the Servant of the Lord description because only this Israelite has indeed been a light to the Gentiles and has been the Lord’s salvation unto the ends of the earth. There is nobody else in history who has done this!
Notice that Isaiah 49:1 is an address to the nations by this Servant, and I am a Gentile who is reading what this Servant is saying to me. It is because of Jesus that I care about the Tanakh, not the to-be-restored Israel. The Gentiles have been and are being saved and enlightened because of Jesus, thus proving Him to be the Servant of the Lord to us—remembering that this is addressed to us so that we may know.
History proves this prophecy to be about Jesus, as this prophecy predicted beforehand that this would happen in history, and only Jesus fits the description and no the to-be-restored Israel.
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TJ, your jesus failed to do what this god says the Jewish messiah will do: “And now the Lord says, who formed me in the womb to be his servant,to bring Jacob back to him,
and that Israel might be gathered to him,”
The jews are jews since they didn’t accept this jesus, so your cult’s nonsense fails completely.
Not a single king or ruler of the time even noticed jesus, which makes this another fail for your jesus: “‘Kings shall see and stand up, princes, and they shall prostrate themselves,because of the Lord, who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.’”
You make up nonsense and I disagree with you and your inventions. You are a “gentile” who needs to pretend that their imaginary friend jesus is something it is not. You need to pretend you are the “chosen” in the usual vanity of Christians.
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“your Jesus failed to do what this God says the Jewish Messiah will do.”
Namely the restoration of Israel, right?
Isaiah 49:4 predicts that this Servant will say: “I have labored in vain… and yet my reward is with the LORD and my work with my God.” And then He states His mission in vs. 5—to bring Israel back, as you state—but this is “too small a thing,” but that He will also be a light to the Gentiles and God’s salvation to the end of the earth. This Jesus has wonderfully succeeded at. Jesus has been proclaimed and continues to be so to the ends of the earth as God’s salvation, and His failure is the restoration of Israel—for now, anyhow—as the light goes out to the nations.
Even Jesus Himself predicted this when talking about the restoration of Israel in Acts:
“Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, ‘Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?’ And He said to them, ‘It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.'” – Acts 1:6-8
Notice that some rejection of this Servant by a people must happen before He is worshipped by kings and princes (Isaiah 49:7). Isaiah 52:13-15 sheds more light on this. Notice the Servant here is “marred more than any man.” He then says, “So shall He sprinkle many nations,” and then the “kings” “shall see,” and “consider.”
This has been fulfilled in history. It is clear who Messiah is! Now all that is needed is the restoration of Israel, but that doesn’t mean that is not to come.
Again, there are two Israels, and we Gentiles are told by this Servant in Isaiah 49:1 (not the to-be-restored Israel but the Israel that is to restore the to-be-restored Israel) that His mission is to restore Israel and be a light to the nations. But He must first be rejected and despised, and then the message goes everywhere. So, He has indeed failed in the restoration of Israel as He has been rejected by the unrestored Israel, but this is too light a thing—He will go to the nations and be believed upon everywhere, and it is not for us to know the times of restoration of Israel. I suppose when the to-be-restored Israel starts trusting in Jesus—who has been fulfilling the mission to Gentiles in Isaiah 49:6 all this time, then maybe then!
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ” – Matthew 23:37-39
Jesus has been the light to the nations and has been God’s salvation to the ends of the earth. We amongst the nations are indeed trusting in the Servant that this message from the Servant is going out to.
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Nope, dear, since it was humans who allowed Israel to be formed in Palestine. Your imaginary friend was no where to be found. But nice failed lie, TJ. The Jewish messiah is supposed to do the following and JC failed. That’s why you frauds had to invent a “second coming”.
There was no global era of peace. There is no just government in Israel. The temple was not rebuilt. Israel’s neighbors never became peaceful with Israel. All jews aen’t in israel despite the fact that they could go if they wanted to. And funny how jesus was never part of the Davidic line since his dad wasn’t Joseph, it supposedly was this imaginary friend of yours.
You still return to the dog’s vomit of Isaiah 49. Funny how your jesus fails at that. Israel was not restored at all during JC’s supposed lifetime, whenever that supposed was since even Christians can’t agre. There is one Christianity, so jesus failed miserably in having one supposed “truth”.
Funny how Acts shows how the incompetent authors of the bible books lie and how you lie. This jesus says that there is no way to know when he will return, so the lies of Christians about prophecy fail hilariously. It also shows that jesus lied about the ‘holy spirit” since no one noticed these apostles at all and most certainly not having magical powers as claimed.
““Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, ‘Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?’ And He said to them, ‘It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.’” – Acts 1:6-8“
Isaiah 49 mentions nothing about rejection, so you again lie, dear. All of Isaiah 53 is abouat a living person, not a dead imaginary friend. Again, curius how your Jesus failed yet again:
“See, my servant shall prosper;
he shall be exalted and lifted up,
and shall be very high.
14 Just as there were many who were astonished at him[b]
—so marred was his appearance, beyond human semblance,
and his form beyond that of mortals—
15 so he shall startle[c] many nations;
kings shall shut their mouths because of him;
for that which had not been told them they shall see,
and that which they had not heard they shall contemplate.”
Jesus was not lifted up and was not exalted during his life, so you lie yet again. dear. There is nothing about jesus being marred in appearance, and his form being beyond what mortals know. No one was startled by a little Jewish guy. And it’s hiliarious that you use a translation that has “sprinkle”. At least the NRSV admits that the word translated as that is unknown since sprinkle makes no sense. BTW, the word “him” is actually you in Hebrew, so yet again the cultists of the bible can’t agree on how to interpret it.
Again, no one was startled or sprinkled by jesus so you fail yet again. No restoration of Israel, and again you poor dears keep moving the goalposts on that.
You gentiles are told nothing in a book that was written for the jews, so nice set of lies there too. It’s hilarious how now you invent more nonsense to try to salvage your cult’s liles, with now insisting that this messiah has to be rejected when Isaiah does’nt say that. You are a fraud and a failure.
Yep, the book of matthew does have that bit of stupidity since this cult tries to supplant the other. It’s lovely how impotent this god is.
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You say, “Isaiah 49 mentions nothing about rejection….”
The Tanakh says Isaiah 49:4,7 “I have labored in vain; I have spent my strength for nothing at all…to him who was despised and abhorred by the nation, to the servant of rulers”
You say, “All of Isaiah 53 is abouat a living person….”
The Tanakh says Isaiah 53:8,9 “he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished. He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.”
You quoted the end of Isaiah 52 and note this further illustrates my point on the rejection/despising/marring/spending strength for nothing/etc etc precedes the kings and startling/sprinkling of the nations:
The Tanakh says as you quoted, “Just as there were many who were astonished at him[b]—so marred was his appearance, beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of mortals—so he shall startle[c] many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him; for that which had not been told them they shall see, and that which they had not heard they shall contemplate.”
You said: “You gentiles are told nothing in a book that was written for the jews….”
The Tanakh says otherwise: “Listen to me, you islands; hear this, you distant nations: Before I was born the Lord called me; from my mother’s womb he has spoken my name.”
Take care for now….
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And yet more repetition of nonsense that fails to show your jesus existed or that this character was the Jewish messiah. Curious how jesus wasn’t a servant to rulers. It’s notable how you have to add ellipses to avoid how your claims fail.
This is what it actually says and you have to lie to make it work for your jesus.
“But I said, ‘I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nothing and vanity;yet surely my cause is with the Lord, and my reward with my God.’5 And now the Lord says, who formed me in the womb to be his servant,o bring Jacob back to him, and that Israel might be gathered to him,for I am honoured in the sight of the Lord, and my God has become my strength—
6 he says,‘It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to restore the survivors of Israel;I will give you as a light to the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.’
7 Thus says the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel and his Holy One,to one deeply despised, abhorred by the nations, the slave of rulers,‘Kings shall see and stand up, princes, and they shall prostrate themselves,because of the Lord, who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.’
You pick and choose like all Christian frauds, TJ, so I’m still not impressed.
Yep, Isaiah 53 is about a living person, and curious how your jesus fails at all of this since Jesus beat people in the temple, and wasn’t silent during his trials. And yet again, Isaiah 52 fails to support your claims either since this jesus failed at what he was supposed to do. Jesus never got the jews to believe in him.
Jesus was not “marred” and unsurprisingly, his form was fine since no one commented on it at all. Again, curious how kings don’t shut their mouths because of your imaginary friend.
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You said, “Jesus was not “marred”
Not just me though: “Scholars nearly universally accept the historicity of Jesus’ crucifixion” – wikipedia
Your other comments I have already responded to and so I will leave it to my prior responses. Take care…
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Scholars don’t universally accept the historicity of the cruxifiction of jesus christ. Some think that there is a greater probability of a delusional jewish man being cruxifed for bothering the romans, but they do not agree that some magical being was cruxified.
BTW, Isaiah is speaking about the messiah as being alive and marred. Not after he was dead. You’ve failed again.
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You said, “Scholars don’t universally…”
I actually said quoting Wikipedia: “Scholars NEARLY universally….” Crucifixion of Jesus – Wikipedia
You said, “Isaiah is speaking about the messiah as being alive and marred…”
And so, He was marred as he was living. The New Testament and the NEARLY all Scholars agree that Jesus was marred.
However, this servant will also die as Isaiah 53:12 makes most clear and it is because of the dying of the servant that the bearing of iniquities is dealt with. This is what the nations and kings etc etc will come to understand and see.
This has indeed happened and is continuing to happen.
“Yea, He saith: ‘It is too light a thing that thou shouldest be My servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob, And to restore the offspring of Israel; I will also give thee for a light of the nations, That My salvation may be unto the end of the earth.’” – Isaiah 49:6
“And he said unto them, It is not for you to know times or seasons, which the Father hath [e]set within his own authority. But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had said these things, as they were looking, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.” – Acts 1:7-9
This is all clearly written before this all came to pass…
“Behold, the former things are come to pass, And new things do I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them” – Isaiah 42:9
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Again, still no evidence for jesus christ, or any cruxifiction. Again, your nonsense about universal agreement or “near” universal agreement is still nonsense.
Isaiah has that this messiah was not cruxified but was marred and yes, while he was living. Not when he was being supposedly tortured to death. Again, your “prophecies” fail.
In Isaiah 53 it mentions a man who hasn’t used violence and yet yur jesus does. It mentions a messiah who went to his trials and did not speak. Again, jesus christ speaks at length to the Jewish authorities and to pilate.
Jesus failed to get the jews to believe in his story. I guess god failed to remember that requirement from Isaiah 49.
Yep, more nonsense from Acts, since no one has received power, and from the very beginning of Christianity there were different versions. Unsurprisngly, the gospels don’t agree with Acts either which is always amusing.
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You said, “Isaiah has that this messiah was not crucified but was marred, and yes, while he was living. Not when he was being supposedly tortured to death.”
I agreed while he was living also. But you add, “when he was being supposedly tortured to death.” Why could he not be marred while living and on his way to his death, or the marring being part of his torturous death?
You said, “he opened not his mouth,” and since Jesus did open his mouth, that he violated this prophecy. Both Christians and Jews alike are in agreement that this doesn’t literally mean that this Servant had his mouth closed the whole time during his oppression and was breathing through his nose. He didn’t fight the injustice that was being handed to him. He courageously accepted it as He was being sacrificed like “a lamb”.
And the same thing would go for the violence. He did not retaliate but willingly gave himself “as a lamb.”
You said, “Jesus failed to get the Jews to believe in his story.” I stand behind my prior comments on this subject, but I will add this to them.
Isaiah 49:6 says of the Servant of the Lord that this Servant will bring light to the nations and be the Lord’s salvation to the ends of the earth.
The candidate that best fulfills this prophecy has a great right in interpreting these passages Isaiah 49, 52, 42, 53, etc., etc.
History has been written for the last 2000 years, and there is none like Jesus who has been the light to the Gentiles and God’s salvation to the ends of the earth. This is no small feet mind you.
And for this reason, and many others, I place great weight on His interpretation of Isaiah 49, and His is clear:
“When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” — Acts 1:6–8
Now, has not this happened? And I’m just curious as to when do you believe Acts was written — before or after the last 2000 years and the spread of the witness “unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
Take care for now…
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It’s hilarious how you “admit” things only when your lies are revealed.
Again, how Isaiah 49 reads and how Isaian 53 reads is that this messiah was marred during his ministry, so you still fail. If you have to say “why couldn’t it be….” You’ve lost the argument.
You have to simply lie to make the Jewish messiah match your cult’s nonsense. Unsurprsingly, jews aren’t in agreement since they don’t believe jesus was their messiah. Nice fail there too, TJ. It’s hilarious how you try to lie and claim that what it literally says in Isaiah 53 is wrong. Isaish 53 says silent, and says nothing about breathing. You are such a lovely fraud. Thanks for showing how Christians must lie.
“He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth;like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.” – NSRV
“7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.” KJV
Then you try to lie and claim the violence was during his arrest. Curious how Isaiah 53 doesn’t say that either:
“9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.”
Unsurprisngly, jesus is violent: “13 The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple he found people selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and the money-changers seated at their tables. 15 Making a whip of cords, he drove all of them out of the temple, both the sheep and the cattle. He also poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables.” John 2
That you stand behind false claims doesn’t make them true. You fail yet again since this jesus failed to bring any “light” to nations, and Christians can’t agree on who is saved and how they are saved. Again, your jesus fails to be the messiah who restores the temple.
He also fails with this:
“He will not cry or lift up his voice, or make it heard in the street;3 a bruised reed he will not break, and a dimly burning wick he will not quench; he will faithfully bring forth justice.
4 He will not grow faint or be crushed until he has established justice in the earth; and the coastlands wait for his teaching.”
History has indeed been written for 2000+ years and there is no evidence for your jesus existing. History shows how Christians can’t agree on which jesus is the right one and not one can show that any of the essential events in the bible happened. There is no salvation, just the myths of a cult.
Unsurprsingly, jesus doesn’t “interpret” Isaiah 49 since Jesus didn’t exist. All you have is a story about a prophecy and a story about it being fulfilled. The author of Acts has the typical excuses of a cult that failed in its predictions and has to make false claims. Curious how no one received any “power” at all. Isaiah 49 says “22 Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.
23 And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.”
Curious how that has never happened. Per scholars, Acts was written between 8 and 13 decades after the supposed existence of jesus. The website, Early Christian Writings has a very good write up on how Acts is quite problematic. Since Christians can’t agree on which version is the right one, you can’t claim they have spread around the earth.
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You said, “All you have is a story about a prophecy and a story about it being fulfilled.”
I would agree if what you mean by “a story about a prophecy” is an ancient prophetic writing dated before Jesus (that NEARLY all scholars though some do not agree existed) is claimed to exist that describes a Servant of the Lord who will go global. The only figure—claimed or not—who has historically done this is the Jesus (who is claimed to exist by most historians Christian and secular) of historic Christianity.
By the way, I stand behind everything I said in the prior post and will let it stand as a plausible interpretation influenced by the above claimed fulfiller of Isaiah 49:6.
Wikipedia reports that scholars date Acts at about 80 to 90 AD but let us give you the 8 decades after Jesus which would be 113 AD. I would disagree with this but let’s give it that for argument’s sake.
Do you believe Christianity had spread to the utter ends of the earth by 113 AD?
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That you would disagree with a fact isn’t anything new. Unsurprsingly, jesus fails to be the Jewish messiah. Christians have tried to make the old testament writings match with their imaginary messiah for centuries, and they cherry pick to do so. Again, a historical jesus isn’t your magical one, and appeals to it fail as evidence for your magic jesus.
There is no servant of the lord who has “gone global” since Christians themselves can’t even agree on which version of their god is the right one. Christians don’t believe in the same version of jesus or god. Each makes up their own version. I can see that just here in the US where we have maga idiots with their white jesus who hates immigrants, and the liberal jesus who is a Jewish guy who is all aboat helping the poor and sick.
Christian history shows how it has splintered repeatedly and violently. That you stand behind baseless nonsense doesn’t make it true. Your “plausible interpretation” depends on lying about what the bible actually says. That’s nothing new when it comes to a Christian.
Funny how one coherent version of Christianity still hasn’t spread to the ends of the earth in 2026. In 113 AD, Christian still hadn’t made it to the far east, Scandinavia and the Americas.
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The only one who has fulfilled Isaiah 49:6 is this infamous world-renowned Jesus who continues to endure to this day (2026) as predicted/prophesied well beforehand by Isaiah 49:6 and Acts 1:6–7, even with the expected tares amongst the wheat—as it was back in Corinth around 50 AD, so it is in 2026 AD.
Paul makes a very early formulation of the gospel by which one must believe to be saved in 1 Corinthians 15. This letter of Paul’s is considered authentic and is dated to the 50s AD by most all scholars from all perspectives. This gospel is clear and is believed by me and billions of others throughout the last 2000 years. I for one am not confused. I wish you weren’t either. Now we also see in 1 Corinthians much division, but this doesn’t nullify the clear message. The gospel is the most famous message of all time, and it is the message—if believed—that one is saved by.
And this message has indeed spread to the ends of the earth. And all of mainstream Christianity (Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox) agree with Paul!
Jesus did predict that there will always be the tares amongst the wheat. We see it in 1 Corinthians and Galatians, but there will always be the wheat as we see in 1 Corinthians and to this day.
You said, “In 113 AD, Christians still hadn’t made it to the far east, Scandinavia, and the Americas.”
Has it now?
Jesus and His Gospel has earned the rightful interpretation of Isaiah 49:6 by being the only one who has fulfilled Isaiah 49:6.
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Ah, always more fail from TJ. Unsurprsingly, you can’t show that jesus merely existed, much less fulfilled any prophecies, dear. Again, you have stories about prophecies being made and stories about them being fulfilled, no evidence at all to support those stories. Isaiah 49 still fails since this jesus was never a “light to nations”. Christians can’t even agree on which jesus is the right one.
Paul makes up nonsense and has no idea what the gospels said since they were written after he supposedly existed. 1 Corinthians shows repeatedly that Paul has no idea what jesus supposedly said since Paul repeatedly contradicts jesus. That ignorant humans like you and billions more believe in nonsense doesn’t make it true, and again, Christians don’t agree on the most basic things so there are no “billions” who all agree on the same thing. You are a very poor liar, dear. You are just one more addled human who insists only his version of Christianity is the right one.
Christians don’t even agree on what Paul means in 1 corinthians since they can’t agree on what parts of it to use and what parts to ignore. Curious how Paul says to not let women speak in churches, and billions of Christians have no problem with that. Of course elsewhere in Corinthians, women are speaking in church, so you have incoherent nonsense yet again. Hmm, should women cover their heads or not? Yet again more nonsense that Christians can’t agree on.
Then we have this from Paul “50 What I am saying, brothers and sisters,[l] is this: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I will tell you a mystery! We will not all die,[m] but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on imperishability, and this mortal body must put on immortality. “ 1 Corinthians 15 which belies the claims in the gospels that jesus was resurrected in the same human flesh he had.
So, unsurprisingly, Christians, even mainstream Christians, do not agree with their bible or with paul. They can’t agree on how they are resurrected. They can’t agree on jesus supposedly resurrected. They make nonsense up.
Jesus predicted nothing, being imaginary. The authors claiming “tares” with wheat are doing no more than noticing how cults work. Every Christian claims to be the “wheat” and claims that everyone else is the “tares” and yet you poor dears can’t agree on which of your nonsense is the right one.
It’s great how you fail yet again with being too ignorant to know that in 113 CE, there were no Christians in the Americas, in Scandanavia, etc. That you have to use an idiot AI like “grok” shows just how you’ve failed, TJ. I always enjoy when frauds show how their cult doesn’t work.
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