“To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; The words of the wise, and their dark sayings. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: But fools despise wisdom and instruction.” – Poverty 1:6-7
“Answer not a fool according to his folly, Lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own conceit.” – Proverbs 26:4-5
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power…” – Colossians 2:8-10
Trust Jesus the predicted light to the Gentiles and God’s salvation to the ends of the earth which history has made clear!
God bless…
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it’s lovely how christians lie about other people. Unsurpsingly, they still can’t show that their imaginary friend exists and can’t agree on which one is the right one. Every cult claims those outside of the cult are “fools”, and not one cult can show that their claims are true. Each christian is evidence that their religion is false since they cannot do what their messiah promises to his true followers.
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Feel free to expound on how “christians lie about other people.” I assume you are claiming that this video is lying about other people. If so I will take it down but you need to be more specific. Christians like athiests can and do make mistakes all of the time. And if I made a mistake in posting this then make your argument and if you win I will take it down. I really have no problem at all in taking down a poor argument if indeed it is one. As far as Christianity being true or not let me repeat as we have discussed before: Isaiah 49:6 provides a wonderful testable prediction and Jesus provides an amazing fulfillment of that prediction for the last 2000 years and running. Let’s get into it again… 🙂
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as usual, TJ, you fail. The video claims that atheism is a weak worldview and it is not a worldview. It is a single conclusion on one concept: are there gods or not. Making false claims for your own benefit is a lie, dear.
Of course you won’t take the video down since you depend on lies.
and Isaiah 49:6? You, like all christians, take verses out of context and ignore them when they don’t work out with your lies. Strange how your jesus failed miserably.
“It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to restore the survivors of Israel;
I will give you as a light to the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.’”
it’s notable how Jesus failed at this, as did Paul. Christians can’t agree on who is saved or how.
it’s notable how Jesus failed at this too:
“Thus says the Lord,
the Redeemer of Israel and his Holy One,
to one deeply despised, abhorred by the nations,
the slave of rulers,
‘Kings shall see and stand up,
princes, and they shall prostrate themselves,
because of the Lord, who is faithful,
the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.’”
and this
“hus says the Lord God:
I will soon lift up my hand to the nations,
and raise my signal to the peoples;
and they shall bring your sons in their bosom,
and your daughters shall be carried on their shoulders.
23 Kings shall be your foster-fathers,
and their queens your nursing-mothers.
With their faces to the ground they shall bow down to you,
and lick the dust of your feet.
Then you will know that I am the Lord;
those who wait for me shall not be put to shame.
24 Can the prey be taken from the mighty,
or the captives of a tyrant[e] be rescued?
25 But thus says the Lord:
Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken,
and the prey of the tyrant be rescued;
for I will contend with those who contend with you,
and I will save your children.
26 I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh,
and they shall be drunk with their own blood as with wine.
Then all flesh shall know
that I am the Lord your Saviour,
and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”
Neither Christians, or israelites, or israelies or jews have been shown to be the favored of your imaginary friend.
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But don’t you believe the video is successful in making the argument that atheists do have basic assumptions about reality, which is exactly what a worldview is? “Worldview: philosophy of the universe and of humanity’s relation to it.” Here is an example of a sentence from Dictionary.com: “By examining certain foundational elements, we can unpack the concepts that dictate each individual’s worldview.” This is what this video is doing!
When a Christian uses the word atheism in a worldview context, we are seeing common philosophical positions or epistemological positions that atheists generally hold to — like an overconfidence in science and scientific theories of origins and history, the idea that morality is subjective, that matter came into existence in some naturalistic way, etc., etc. And we find them to be terribly weak and weaker than any theistic position, and therefore the weakest. That is the argument, anyhow.
It is a stretch to say it is the weakest without looking into every possible position; if you want to argue at that point, I would agree. I think that is more for clickbait. In this video, I believe Craig (I believe that is his name) does a good job in pointing this out. How about you?
Jesus and Paul are quite consistent. Most people who study religions do see differences in the Jesus of Islam versus the Jesus of Christianity. Billions of Christians see it, and so do billions of Muslims. If you can’t see it, then I’m sorry. Quote me a scholar who sees no difference.
Now, it is the Jesus of Christianity — as opposed to the Jesus of Islam or the gnostics, etc., etc., etc. — who is indeed the first obvious fulfiller of the prophecy: “I will give you as a light to the nations, that my salvation may reach the end of the earth.” The Jesus of Christianity shines like no other on this, and it is no small prophecy to fulfill.
Muslims just use the pioneering work of Christianity to jump off of for their platform, which isn’t as impressive as having no worldwide famous Jesus to jump off of in the first place — thus making the prophecy that much more unlikely to fulfill in Christianity versus Islam or any post‑Christian Jesus whatsoever.
Now, if you can’t see the difference between the Jesus of Islam and the Jesus of Christianity and the Jesus of Judaism or the gnostics or the Mormons, then I am just going to have to decide on not going any further with you, as I will probably have to conclude that there is something in your reasoning that doesn’t allow you to make such obvious distinctions as the above, and I don’t think I should answer any other questions until we can both see this. Because it would be rather pointless. Take care…
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Aw, it’s so sweet to see you trying so hard “please, please, don’t you really agree with me? Please agree with me, please please.”
No, dear, the video fails hilariously and shows how lazy and ignorant Christians are. Atheism is a conclusion about a single idea: do gods exist. It is not a philosophy of the universe or humanity’s relationship to it. A worldview is something like a religion or a philosophy like epicureanism, stoicism, etc. Your quote from a dictionary show yet again how you are ignorant and lazy. Atheists can be capitalists, can be communists, can be epicureans, can be stoics, can be nihilists, etc. So, no, dear, the video is not doing that.
When a christain lies and claims atheism is a worldview, they fail. Atheists do not all hold to any of the things you claim, and it’s so cute when you try to use the world “generally” to avoid being the complete liar you are. Some atheists believe that morality is objective. Some atheists doubt science and believe in just as many silly baseless things as a theist.
And of course, you can’t show how any atheist position is weak since you can’t show your god merely exists.
You also hilariously lie when you try to claim that you don’t know the name of the ignorant Christian you claim is right. Tsk. That is Calvin Smith in the video, a known liar and fraud from Answers in Genesis Canada. He makes up his supposed encounters with “atheists” so he can pretend he has won arguments.
I’ve read the bible and I known that jesus and paul aren’t consistent at all. But nice attempt to lie to me again. The jesus of islam is as different as the jesus of differing Christian versions. You poor dears can’t agree on what poor ol’ Jesus wants, what he is, what he did, etc. You each make up what you claim that jesus considers to be a “sin” and not one of you can show that your list is any more true than the others. Christian “scholars” all see differences and I know that.
There is no one “jesus of Christianity”, so your lovely lies fail yet again. The jesus of a conservative Christian is not the jesus of a liberal Christian. The gnostics were Christians, just like catholics, protestants, evangelicals, Calvinists, etc are Christians. Jesus failed hilariously as being any kind of “light” to any nation. Christianity is many dim and flickering lights each trying to put the others out.
Muslims use part of the christain and Jewish faith in their delusion that those two cults have anything to offer. And funny how Christians did the same with Judaism, so I guess I can point out how christainity had no “worldwide famous jesus” to use at all. The prophecy has failed dear since the nations find your cult worthless.
Yep, poor dear, desperate to find an excuse why you will run away yet again. I never said there wasn’t a difference, and nice strawman you’ve invented. You are just one more christain who has decided that only his version is the right one and who can’t do what jesus promised, just like all of the other Christians who have done the exact same thing.
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“I never said there wasn’t a difference” – so you agree that there is a difference between the Jesus of Christianity with all its various sects and that of Islam with all its various sects? Tell me how you distinguish between the two? And I do stand behind my first two paragraphs. Take care…
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ROFL. There is a difference between every jesus in the various versions of christianity, dear. Islam also has different versions of the same character. The muslims play pretend that jesus is a prophet and didn’t really die or did, and on and onand the christians play pretend that jesus is: god, the son of god, a spirit, a man, etc and can’t agree on what this jesus wants, who it saves, how it saves, etc.
All you’ve managed to do is show that theists make up their garbage.
Who cares that an idiot stands behind his lies?
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I am glad to get to agree with you so far. You agree that there is a definable difference of the Jesus of Islam and the Jesus of Christianity. And you pointed to some obvious differences rather quickly. Now, let us examine whether or not a majority of Christians today and historically have things in common amongst the various sects or not?
Has a majority of Christians since Jesus came into existence taught/believed that Jesus is the one prophesied to come in Isaiah 53? Are Christian amongst all their various sects in agreement on this? I am sure you will find some that think not but then are they really representative of the overwhelming majority and mainstream and historical Christians/Christianity? If you have found some that disagree than what percentage of Christians throughout all of Christian history do they count as?
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ROFl. It’s so wonderful when christians choose to lie and show they don’t believe in their imagniary friend. There is a massive difference between the many jesuses of christians since they each invent their own.
The majority of christians cannot agree on what morals their jesus wants or what this jesus considers to be a sin. Most educated christians don’t believe that Isaiah 53 is a “prophecy”, but lots of chrisians believe it is. The problem is that they don’t agree on the jesus that comes from it.
Again, you fail, TJ. It’s hilarious how christians consistently attack each other over who are the TrueChristians(tm), and not one of you frauds can show that you are christians at all per your own bible.
Every christian claims that only their christianity is “historical”, is “biblical”, is the one and only “truth”, and yuo all fail to show that is the case.
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When you say, “most educated Christians,” I’m not sure what group you’re referring to. Are you speaking about a particular denomination, a specific academic circle, or a certain modern scholarly movement?
If we look at Christian history as a whole — from the time of Jesus’ crucifixion under Pontius Pilate until now — the overwhelming majority of Christians have understood Isaiah 53 as prophetic and fulfilled in Christ. This includes the early Church Fathers, the historic Catholic and Orthodox traditions, and most Protestant theologians.
So I’m trying to understand: what percentage of Christians throughout history do you believe would agree with these “educated” Christians you’re referring to? And among these “educated” Christians, how many of them acknowledge that the vast majority of Christians across all centuries have taught that Isaiah 53 points to Jesus?
If you have quotes from these “educated” Christians showing that they see themselves as representing the historic Christian majority — or, alternatively, that they recognize they are a small minority of more recent times — that would help clarify your point.
I’m willing to continue exploring where Christians do and do not agree, but we need to settle this foundational point first. If we can’t acknowledge the historic and overwhelming Christian teaching that Isaiah 53 is fulfilled in Christ, then it becomes difficult to move forward in a meaningful way.
I’m not trying to argue for argument’s sake — I’m simply pointing out what has been obvious and widely affirmed throughout Christian history. When even this is disputed, it becomes hard to build on anything further.
I’m glad we’ve already agreed that the Jesus of Islam is different from the Jesus of Christianity. That’s an important step. But we also need to agree that Isaiah 53 has been understood by the vast majority of Christians, across all centuries, as referring to Christ. Without that shared foundation, the conversation can’t progress in a fair or honest way.
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When I say most educated Christians I am talking about those who know history and know Judaism and who don’t cherry pick their bible. Isaiah 53 fails to describe jesus christ rather notably, since jesus did not suffer, was not despised and rejected by everyone, did not need to hide his face because it was disfigured and corrupt or have others hide their faces from him and did not bear infirmities or diseases. Jesus was not silent during his trials, was violent and his grave was not with the wicked or the rich. Jesus had no offspring. It’s notable just how badly Isaiah 53 fails as a prophecy.
There is no one Christian history. No evidence of any cruxifiction of either your man/god under the romans or of a delusional jew under the romans. So your lies fail yet again, and you have nothing more than an appeal to popularity logical fallacy. I’ve shown how Isaiah 53 fails and is a wonderful example of how Christians must cherry pick their nonsense.
Every Christian thinks that only their version is the right one and again, TJ, you all fail to support those claims.
I don’t care if you are willing to continue to see how Christians don’t agree on the most basic things. The fact is that they don’t, and not one of you frauds can show your version of the cult is any better than the rest. Your prayers still fail despite the promises in the bible.
You can’t argue for argument’s sake since you can’t show your lies to be true.
And it’s so sweet to see you desperate to claim I agree with you. Poor dear, you need external validation. Again, Christians themselves don’t agree on jesus so your lies still fail.
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So, do you believe that a vast majority of those who have called themselves Christians throughout history believe that Jesus is the Servant in Isaiah 53, or not? Are you really going to take the position that a majority of Christians do not believe that Jesus is the Servant of Isaiah 53? I understand that you believe Jesus is not the Servant and that some “educated” Christians and representatives of Judaism do not, but do those same “educated” Christians argue, as you do, that the vast majority of Christians over the last 2,000 years have believed otherwise? How you answer this question will determine whether we should continue this conversation. If you cannot admit the plain historical fact that a vast majority of Christians believe Jesus is the Servant in Isaiah 53, then it seems you are not being fair about the history of Christian interpretation if Isaiah 53.
Christians throughout history have been quite consistent in their view that Jesus is the Servant in Isaiah 53. Just ask Copilot if a majority of Christians throughout history believe this. I believe that even these “educated” Christians will tell you this. It would be an extreme position to hold the opposite view, and I am curious to discover if you really hold that position, because it would be quite telling regarding why you do not see common beliefs that almost all Christians share. If we cannot even agree on such an obvious historical position that Christians have held for centuries, there is no need to go further on this with you at all.
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Yep, every Christian is sure that every other Christian that doesn’t agree with him isn’t a Christian, and not one Christian can do what jesus promised so per your own bible, you are *all* frauds.
Christians don’t agree on who jesus is since you each make up your own, and some of you claim Isaiah 53 is a “prophecy” about him and some don’t. You all ignore the parts of the supposed prophecy that don’t fit so your own delusions win.
All you have is an appeal to popularity fallacy, TJ, to claim that your particular delusion is the right one. So you fail again, and amuse me.
Christians have not been consistent on which jesus they follow, nor have they been consistent believing Isaiah 53 is about their jesus. Again, you all pick and choose, ignoring what you don’t like about the prophecy when your particular jesus fails those details. I don’t bother with AI since they are simply stupid and regurgitate what they find on the web, putting together words based on probability.
And who cares what you believe when you can’t support your claims, dear. Christians share vanishingly few beliefs, starting with which version of jesus is the right one.
I do enjoy how you keep whining about continuing the discussion, trying so hard to get up the courage to just leave.
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You said: “some of you claim Isaiah 53 is a “prophecy” about him and some don’t”
I still want to pin point your position, here. “Some” is to vague. Your statements would lead one to believe that Christians are divided evenly on Isaiah 53 as being about Jesus or not. I am curious to understand your position because it will determine whether or not I should continue to discuss this with you. Especially if we can’t even get past what is an obvious Christian majority belief.
Are Christians throughout the last 2000 years evenly split down the middle on this issue or is there a majority one way or the other?
Here is how copilot answers the question? Do you agree or not and what is your evidence to the contrary if you have a contrary position?
https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/1DGG11cqSB4qWCuXxrHvF
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ROFL. still trying to hard to salvage your failure. I could care less what AI says about anything. You have no idea how it works do you, dear? rather then relying on your own ignorance you are lazy enough to rely on ignorance spewed by AI.
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I am not lazy at all here. I know what a huge majority of Christians have taught for two millenia. You are the one who is strawmanning Christianity. I am not and neither is copilot. You have no evidence that a majority of Christians throughout history believe otherwise. Every major denomination, sect, etc etc etc of Christianity has historically held to the belief that Jesus is the Servant of Isaiah 53 and if you can’t agree with something as obvious as this then I have good reason to bring into doubt your characterization of Christianity et al. You only refute your own make believe strawChristianity. This is no refutation of the Christian position whatsoever…it’s a strawman argument.
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Yep, again with the same failed logical fallacy, lots of people agree so it must be right. Your cult is the result of an emperor deciding he was tired of christians being idiots and forced them to come to an agreement. That people agree doesn’t mean something is true, and again, chrisians pick and choose their way through Isaiah 53 to invent a “prophecy”.
My characterization of christianity as a cult that has repeatedly splintered and can’t agree on the most basic things is correct. This is not a strawman argument. And it’s great how, yet again, you can’t show I’m wrong.
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So, you agree that a majority of Christians throughout history have been quite consistent in interpreting Isaiah 53 as fulfilled in Jesus, right?
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ROFL. No dear, I don’t. You are so wonderfully pathetic. I always love when a christian chooses to lie. No wonder you fail at being a true follower of your jesu.
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Take care and hoping only the best for you…we will discuss again I’m sure
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yep, there he goes again, still unable to show I’m wrong and that his imaginary friend exists.
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again, dear, Isaiah 53 fails in being about jesus. You christian pick and choose a few verses from it and ignore the ones that don’t fit. How wonderfully dishonest and lazy.
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