Take care…You gotta listen to Justin Martyr’s first apology. I think even an atheist could respect some of Justin’s arguments against the Greek gods! Laters…
ROFL> IT’s hilarious to see the same arguments can be used against your imagnary friend.
I do enjoy when frauds make claims like this
“In our case, who pledge ourselves to do no wickedness, nor to hold these atheistic opinions, you do not examine the charges made against us; but, yielding to unreasoning passion, and to the instigation of evil demons, you punish us without consideration or judgment. For the truth shall be spoken; since of old these evil demons, effecting apparitions of themselves, both defiled women and corrupted boys, and showed such fearful sights to men, that those who did not use their reason in judging of the actions that were done, were struck with terror; and being carried away by fear, and not knowing that these were demons, they called them gods, and gave to each the name which each of the demons chose for himself.”
yep, nothing new since christain still make these lies today. They even use it against each other since christians can’t agree on which version of their god to worship. Every cultist claims that only his is the real god and the rest are demons, etc. No evidence for any of your claims to be true at all, as usual.
Ask 100 Christians (that believe it is important to believe in Jesus for salvation and read their Bibles daily) and you will find everyone of them agree with Paul on the Gospel as read in 1 Corinthians 15:1-8.
Again, TJ, Christians do not agree on who is saved, how they are saved, what the bible means, if they have to read it daily, etc, so “believe in jesus for salvation and read the bible daily” fails to make them agree.
This is what those verses say “15 Now I should remind you, brothers and sisters,[a] of the good news[b] that I proclaimed to you, which you in turn received, in which also you stand, 2 through which also you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message that I proclaimed to you—unless you have come to believe in vain.
3 For I handed on to you as of first importance what I in turn had received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, 4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters[c] at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have died.[d] 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to someone untimely born, he appeared also to me”
curious how Paul is simply wrong in his claims since he gets who saw christ wrong. Where are the women at the tomb mentioned? Why doesn’t Paul know about them, TJ, as opposed to modern christians who do?
All Christians must agree that Jesus died for our sins and that he rose from the dead or they aren’t Christians. This is most fundamental…Jesus Himself said somewhere in John 12 that He would draw people unto Himself by the cross in John 12:32 and that He would rise from the dead. If a Christian doesn’t believe this then they aren’t a Biblical Christian and I asked you to go ask 100 Christians who believe in Jesus for their salvation and read their Bibles daily and that you will find 100% agreement. We have great unity and Jesus has indeed drawn billions unto Himself via the preaching of the cross as I am one of them, and I know many many many others and we all agree in this most fundamental truth.
Better yet just ask copilot the same question I asked it:
Do roman Catholics and Protestants and orthodox all believe that Jesus died on the cross and that He died for sinners and that He rose from the dead?
Yes, TJ—they absolutely do. Despite their theological differences, Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox Christians all affirm the core truths of the gospel:
✝️ Shared Beliefs Across Traditions
– Jesus died on the cross: All three traditions teach that Jesus was crucified under Pontius Pilate and that His death was real and historical.
– He died for sinners: This is central to Christian soteriology. Each tradition affirms that Jesus’ death was a sacrificial act for the salvation of humanity—“for our sins,” as Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 15.
– He rose from the dead: The bodily resurrection of Jesus is universally proclaimed as the cornerstone of Christian faith. As Paul says, “If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile” (1 Cor. 15:17).
🕊️ Nuances in Emphasis
While the essentials are shared, each tradition may emphasize different aspects:
– Catholics highlight the sacramental participation in Christ’s death and resurrection through the Eucharist and baptism.
– Protestants (especially Evangelicals) often stress personal faith and justification by grace through faith in Christ’s atoning work.
– Orthodox Christians speak of the resurrection as the victory over death and the gateway to theosis (union with God), but they also affirm that salvation comes through the Cross.
So yes, the crucifixion, atonement, and resurrection of Jesus are unifying beliefs across these major branches of Christianity—even if they diverge on how salvation is applied or understood in practice.
Would you like a visual breakdown of how each tradition frames these doctrines? I could sketch a timeline or a doctrinal comparison chart.
All Christians do not agree that Jesus died for your sins since you do not agree on what your god considers a sin. Christians also have not and still do not agree on what rising from the dead means either. Your bible has Jesus repeatedly making various claims and again, nothing shows that he existed or that his claims came true. All you have are stories.
Every Christian claims that only their version is “biblical” and not one can show that their claims are any better than the next, TJ. If we are to go with your bible, it says how to identify the true followers of Jesus by what they can do. That neither you, nor any other self-professed Christian, can do these things indicates that either you are all wrong, or your bible is wrong. Which do you want to choose? Christians love to claim only their version is “biblical” but they are desperate to ignore that bible when it shows they are all frauds.
Again, all you have is claiming that only Christians who agree with you are “really” Christian, a common claim amongst all of you. So, no there is no 100% agreement at all. Christians have no unity at all, and those billions you mention can’t agree on the most basic things. There are billions of Catholics, protestants, Calvinists, anabaptists, etc. Which is the right version since not one of you can show that you can do what your bible promises? Again, you cannot all be worshipping the same god if you do not agree on what it wants. A god that has no problem with adulterers is not the same god as one that does.
it’s hilarious when Christians, who know they have nothing, run to AI for confirmation of their nonsense. AI is no more than a spreadsheet that regurgitates what it finds on the internet. It has no idea what it is repeating, if it is true or not, so when you appeal to software to agree with you it’s rather pathetic.
Unsurprisingly, there is no evidence for your Jesus being real or historical. There is no agreement amongst Christians on what their god considers to be a “sin”. We can see that disagreement from the very beginnings of Christianity. So, when a Christian claims “Jesus died for our sins”, this is a statement based on opinion, nothing else.
The bodily resurrection is not universally proclaimed, and has never been. This claim shows an ignorance of Christian history. The epistles of Paul demonstrate that the bodily resurrection was not a common belief even then, with Paul’s ignorance of any supposed bodily resurrection at all. All Paul claims it that this Jesus “appears” to others, which contradicts what the gospels claim. Paul claims that the resurrected jesus is spiritual, which means that claims of Thomas putting his hands in wounds is simply nonsense. 1 Corinthians 15 has paul refering to the “scriptures” which wouldn’t have been the gospels since those were written after the epistles.
TJ, I know Christian history better than you do, so your attempts to lie to me about it are amusing, nothing more.
Here is my response after I let copilot clean it up. As you know, I am no good at grammar…lol. But after reading how copilot clean my paragraphs and grammar up and think it is better, so here it is, and God bless 🙌
I have found, in my lifetime, many upon many—and read of many more from centuries before me, from the Church Fathers to the Reformation to today—who are in agreement on the Gospel. Though one may be from this century and another from that, or one from this region of the world and another from elsewhere, or one from this denomination and another from that—whether Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, or non-denominational—we share a common foundation.
I attend a non-denominational church. While there are some points on which I differ, when it comes to the essentials and to God’s Word, we are united. We worship God together in joy and unity. There are brothers and sisters in other churches I could choose to attend, but because they are farther away—in another state, country, or part of the world—I don’t. Still, I would feel just as comfortable worshiping in their churches and calling them my brothers and sisters in the Lord.
I’ll admit I haven’t attended a Catholic or Orthodox church, but when I read Chrysostom—whom both Catholics and Orthodox admire—I find myself admiring him too. We all agree on Jesus and the Gospel, and on most of the canon of Scripture, at least on the 66/49 books (depending on how they’re ordered or divided). Yes, we have our differences, but we also have profound common ground. And the most important thing we share is Jesus and the Gospel.
I’ve served many Catholics in my business, and we rejoice together in Jesus and the Gospel—even though they may have never attended a Protestant church, and I’ve only been to a Catholic church a couple of times, for weddings or similar events. Jesus said in John 12:32–33 that He people would be drawn to Himself by the cross, and I see the evidence—over the past 2,000 years and counting—that He has indeed been successful via the cross.
Yes, Jesus predicted the tares among the wheat, and Paul echoed that warning. But both, following the Old Testament prophets, also foretold that the Church would endure throughout the ages. The gates of hell would not prevail—and history has proven this to be true.
These predictions were made by the prophets before Christ (BC/BCE), by Christ Himself during Christ’s life, and by His disciples, Paul, and the early Church Fathers (being confident in what was written and in the early success of the Gospel). And all this long before the Council of Nicaea and through seasons of intense persecution. And yet, the Church endured and continues to do thru the middle ages and reformation, and in 2025 unto all the ages to come.
TJ, you could be perfect at grammar and your arguments would still fail since they have no evidence to support them. As for your god blessing anything, it’s notable that Christians do no better than anyone else, so why would I believe that your god does anything at all?
As for copilot helping you, you’ve done a great job at showing how copilot can’t be trusted to have any clue about grammar.
Every Christian makes the same claims as you do about their particular version, and not one of you Christians can show that your version is any better than the rest. You each think that only your interpretation of the “gospel” is the right one.
Catholics, protestants, orthodox, nondenominational etc all have their own opinions on what their god wants, and they do not agree on the most basic things. Your “common foundation” does not exist.
It’s nothing surprising that you attend a “non-denominational church”. That only means that some Christians didn’t like what the other churches claimed and invented their own. C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape Letters remark upon how Christians are always splintering, and ending up a church of one. Of course, you differ from it since each Christian invents their own god in their image. You aren’t “united”, you merely tolerate each other.
Nothing requires you to admit you haven’t attended a catholic or orthodox church; I already know that. You don’t want to and are sure that they are wrong. Again, you don’t agree on scripture, you don’t agree on jesus and you don’t agree on the gospel. John Chrysostom is just one more ignorant Christian, a jealous cult leader, who makes claims that can’t be shown as true. It’s notable how the church splinters even then, with disputes about the nature of god, etc with Origen,Arius, etc and not one Christian can show that their version is the right one and not one Christian can do what jesus promises. The split between Catholicism and orthodoxy is part and parcel of Chrysostom’s history. So much for “both” admiring him. As is so often the case, christians pick and choose what they “admire”.
When you make a point of saying how you “serve” catholics in your business, it reads as if I should be impressed that you deign to do so. And you seem to think yourself better than them with your nonsense about how great you are to do so even *if* they haven’t attended a protestant church.
Since I’ve been to many different Christian churches, I know that catholics and protestants worship different gods and different jesuses and they do not interpret the “gospel” the same way. Again, if you can’t agree on what morals this god wants, or the nature of this god, you aren’t worshipping the same god.
Every Christian claims that people are only drawn to their particular version, so your quoting John 12 is meaningless since each Christian has a different god to be drawn to. You have no evidence of success, since, again, there is no one Christianity.
You assume yourself among the “wheat” like all Christians do and accuse anyone who dares not agree with you to be the “tares”. Paul and jesus do not agree, and the church has not endured throughout the ages, splintering into dozens, if not far more, versions. The prophecies have failed, and jesus’ prayers to himself/his father, in John 17, were ignored. There is no reason to believe your nonsense since history has shown your claims to be false.
Christians have persecuted each other consistently throughout history and not a single one has shown that their claims were any better than those they attacked. There is no one “Church”.
I’ve attended an Assemblies of God-run school, a non-denominational school, a Foursquare church, a Southern Baptist church, an independent KJV-only church, and an Orthodox Presbyterian church. On vacations, I’ll visit other churches—like a Faith Evangelical Free Church (I think that’s the denomination). Yes, they’re all a bit different, but I feel foundationally at home in every one of them.
The Pentecostals do some things I find unusual, but they love the same Jesus I do. The OPC leans heavily into hymns and liturgy, yet I feel at home there too, because they also love Jesus, the Gospel, and the Scriptures. The others fall somewhere in between. The KJV-only church may not embrace contemporary Christian music or other translations—which I’m fine with—but they still love the same Jesus, Gospel, and Scriptures that I do.
I’m currently reading Irenaeus and thoroughly enjoying his clarity, his concern, and his deep love for Jesus, the Gospel, and the Scriptures. I feel a kinship with the amazing Christians of the past. I’ve read through Justin Martyr’s writings, and works by Augustine and Chrysostom, and I feel quite at home with them. I don’t agree with every issue—no more than I agree with my current pastor on every issue—but we both love Jesus, His Gospel, and the Scriptures.
I listen to Christian hip hop, metal, rock, worship, praise, country, and alternative Christian music. Believe it or not, there’s actually a whole genre of Gospel and Christian music. Something makes it Christian—something deeper than stylistic agreement. The artists may not all agree on every theological point, but they share something essential. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!
Anyway, my experience contradicts yours. Jesus will continue to be loved, preached, and trusted. People will keep turning to Him in faith for salvation—just as they did in the 1st century in Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Thessalonica, Smyrna, Philadelphia, and Laodicea. And each believer in different areas had a bit different struggles and needed various different admonitions from the New Testament writers much like Peter had his issues and John his and Thomas his but the same Jesus that they trusted in was handling them all.
Not every local group or denomination is the Church in and of itself. The Church is the body of believers in every place and every generation who believe, love, and trust in Jesus. We’re all growing at different levels and paces in our faith, and yes, there will always be both wheat and tares among us.
This is my experience—and it aligns with what Jesus said. The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Gospel. Anyone, even today, can understand that Jesus died for their sins and trust in Him for salvation. Jesus said His cross would draw people to Himself, and I am one of many who have experienced that loving draw—Christ crucified for this sinner, risen from the dead, conquering sin and death!
Yep, just one more Christian who is sure that only his version is the right one. So, again, curious how you don’t attend catholic churches, orthodox churches, anabaptist churches, etc. and “orthodox presbyterian”? ROFL. It’s great how Christians try to make up names to pretend that they are the only right ones. I always enjoy that since it just shows how Christianity constantly splinters, and not one of them can do what jesus promises.
They are all different and foundationally they are only the same by being the more ignorant versions. It’s nothing surprising that you would find church invented by a fraud like Aimee Semple McPherson attractive.
All you’ve shown is that you need an ignorant church that hates the same people you do.
Irenaeus along with the other “church fathers” are as much frauds as you and McPherson are. Youignore the parts you don’t like about them and invent yet another version of Christianity. I wonder, TJ, are you all about hating the jews like Chrysotom was? Are you okay with Augustine saying that children will go to hell just because they arent’ baptized? Irenaeus says that only the catholic church is the right one, so why aren’t you going to one of those? He’d say that you and your fellows were heretics.
“Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre-eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.”(Irenaeus 1885, Book III, Chapter 3
I do find it amusing that Irenaeus was one of the first ones to bring the gospels together, saying one wasn’t better than the rest. But now Christians do exactly that, when so many of you claim that one should just read the gospel of john, or matthew, etc. Of course, Irenaeus also made up what he wanted from the bible too, claiming that jesus preached far longer than the bible indicates.
It’s notable how you keep claiming you all love jesus, but as I’ve noted, you can’t love the same jesus since you don’t agree on what it wants. When You say “But but I disagree with this” you are declaring that they are wrong and only you are right. Strange how you cant’ support that claim.
I’m sure you do listen to a lot of music and only if it agrees with you. I know that there is a whole genre of gospel and Christian music and Christians can’t agree on which songs are “really” Christian or not. So again, you don’t agree and that you try to lie to me about this is amusing.
Your experience doesn’t contradict mine at all. You claim that only your jesus is the one who is loved, preached and trusted. You keep claiming that people turn to only your jesus and that’s a lie. There has never been one Christianity.
It’s hilarious that you say that the NT has to make different “admonitions” to people, which means that its morals are not consistent. If morals are objective, there would be no need for these supposed differences. Not one believed that the same jesus was handling them all, only that *their* jesus was handling them all.
There is no one “church”. The catholics claim to be “the church”. The orthodox claim to be the same. So do your pentacostalists, your evangelicals, etc. You all claim each other are wrong, so your repeated lies that evyerone is “growing at different levels” are just amusing.
Every cultist claims that their experience agrees with their jesus. You each condemn the others who doesn’t agree with you to hell, and happily, your little sadistic fantasies will never come true. Anyone today can see how Christians don’t agree with each other on who jesus is. We see you attacking each other constantly each claiming the others aren’t “drawn” at all.
and since not one of you can do what jesus promises, we can know that you are all frauds per your own religion.
We will just have to agree to disagree for now. But real quick as I am busy at work but concerning Irenaeus! I am now on Book 4 and just read the portion you copied. I do not have to agree with all of Irenaeus to still appreciate his love of the gospel and Jesus and others. I consider Irenaeus to be a saved individual even though he may have views that I disagree with because of his clear confessions of the gospel we are brothers on this. Only God knows the heart. Catholics probably really focus on “that every Church should agree with this Church” but no where in scripture is this claimed so I dont hold myself to this and he does say “Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches” and “the apsotolical traditon has been preserved continuously by those (faithful men) who exist everywhere.” But this and my catholic brothers and sisters in Christ may have a difference but it doesn’t mean that I don’t believe in Jesus Christ nor they. Back to work and later on to Book IV…Take care…oh concerning Christian music you are right. I even mentioned a church that I went to that doesn’t believe in contemporary Christian music (I think I did, maybe not) but that doesn’t mean that we don’t agree on the gospel and its the gospel that saves not what music you listen too or not. Laters….
I have no need to agree with you about anything. You cannot support your claims and thus your “disagreement” is worthless.
You pick and choose what you want from the ‘church fathers’ and like them you just make up a Christianity that you want. You want to use them to support your nonsense through appeals to tradition, but when you don’t like what they would consider you to be, then you just ignore them. How wonderfully hypocritical.
You would be a heretic to him, and damned. It’s hilarious how you want to claim “only god knows his heart” when you claim that you are sure that he is “saved”. Which false claim do you want to make, that you know something or that you don’t?
All Christians “really focus” on that every Christian should agree with this Christian. Every Christian claims that only they know what scripture really means, and each claims that everyone should agree with them. You know, only one truth and all of that.
As I’ve noted, every Christian claims that only they have the “apostolic” tradition, and not one can support that claim. Your attempts to make christainity one happy family are quite ludicrous.
Youv’e been doing a great job of showing how Christians simply make up what they want. And yes, it does mean you don’t agree on the gospel too. Curious how yet again, you an’t even agree on how someone is saved.
All Christians must agree that Jesus died for our sins and that he rose from the dead or they aren’t Christians. This is most fundamental…Jesus Himself said somewhere in John 12 that He would draw people unto Himself by the cross in John 12:32 and that He would rise from the dead. If a Christian doesn’t believe this then they aren’t a Biblical Christian and I asked you to go ask 100 Christians who believe in Jesus for their salvation and read their Bibles daily and that you will find 100% agreement. We have great unity and Jesus has indeed drawn billions unto Himself via the preaching of the cross as I am one of them, and I know many many many others and we all agree in this most fundamental truth.
Better just ask copilot the same question I asked it:
Do roman Catholics and Protestants and orthodox all believe that Jesus died on the cross and that He died for sinners and that He rose from the dead?
Yes, TJ—they absolutely do. Despite their theological differences, Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox Christians all affirm the core truths of the gospel:
✝️ Shared Beliefs Across Traditions
– Jesus died on the cross: All three traditions teach that Jesus was crucified under Pontius Pilate and that His death was real and historical.
– He died for sinners: This is central to Christian soteriology. Each tradition affirms that Jesus’ death was a sacrificial act for the salvation of humanity—“for our sins,” as Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 15.
– He rose from the dead: The bodily resurrection of Jesus is universally proclaimed as the cornerstone of Christian faith. As Paul says, “If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile” (1 Cor. 15:17).
🕊️ Nuances in Emphasis
While the essentials are shared, each tradition may emphasize different aspects:
– Catholics highlight the sacramental participation in Christ’s death and resurrection through the Eucharist and baptism.
– Protestants (especially Evangelicals) often stress personal faith and justification by grace through faith in Christ’s atoning work.
– Orthodox Christians speak of the resurrection as the victory over death and the gateway to theosis (union with God), but they also affirm that salvation comes through the Cross.
So yes, the crucifixion, atonement, and resurrection of Jesus are unifying beliefs across these major branches of Christianity—even if they diverge on how salvation is applied or understood in practice.
Would you like a visual breakdown of how each tradition frames these doctrines? I could sketch a timeline or a doctrinal comparison chart.
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Always fun to see a christian show his ignorance and his need to remain so. Still no evidence for your imaginary friend.
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Take care…You gotta listen to Justin Martyr’s first apology. I think even an atheist could respect some of Justin’s arguments against the Greek gods! Laters…
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ROFL> IT’s hilarious to see the same arguments can be used against your imagnary friend.
I do enjoy when frauds make claims like this
“In our case, who pledge ourselves to do no wickedness, nor to hold these atheistic opinions, you do not examine the charges made against us; but, yielding to unreasoning passion, and to the instigation of evil demons, you punish us without consideration or judgment. For the truth shall be spoken; since of old these evil demons, effecting apparitions of themselves, both defiled women and corrupted boys, and showed such fearful sights to men, that those who did not use their reason in judging of the actions that were done, were struck with terror; and being carried away by fear, and not knowing that these were demons, they called them gods, and gave to each the name which each of the demons chose for himself.”
yep, nothing new since christain still make these lies today. They even use it against each other since christians can’t agree on which version of their god to worship. Every cultist claims that only his is the real god and the rest are demons, etc. No evidence for any of your claims to be true at all, as usual.
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Ask 100 Christians (that believe it is important to believe in Jesus for salvation and read their Bibles daily) and you will find everyone of them agree with Paul on the Gospel as read in 1 Corinthians 15:1-8.
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Again, TJ, Christians do not agree on who is saved, how they are saved, what the bible means, if they have to read it daily, etc, so “believe in jesus for salvation and read the bible daily” fails to make them agree.
This is what those verses say “15 Now I should remind you, brothers and sisters,[a] of the good news[b] that I proclaimed to you, which you in turn received, in which also you stand, 2 through which also you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message that I proclaimed to you—unless you have come to believe in vain.
3 For I handed on to you as of first importance what I in turn had received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, 4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters[c] at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have died.[d] 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to someone untimely born, he appeared also to me”
curious how Paul is simply wrong in his claims since he gets who saw christ wrong. Where are the women at the tomb mentioned? Why doesn’t Paul know about them, TJ, as opposed to modern christians who do?
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All Christians must agree that Jesus died for our sins and that he rose from the dead or they aren’t Christians. This is most fundamental…Jesus Himself said somewhere in John 12 that He would draw people unto Himself by the cross in John 12:32 and that He would rise from the dead. If a Christian doesn’t believe this then they aren’t a Biblical Christian and I asked you to go ask 100 Christians who believe in Jesus for their salvation and read their Bibles daily and that you will find 100% agreement. We have great unity and Jesus has indeed drawn billions unto Himself via the preaching of the cross as I am one of them, and I know many many many others and we all agree in this most fundamental truth.
Better yet just ask copilot the same question I asked it:
Do roman Catholics and Protestants and orthodox all believe that Jesus died on the cross and that He died for sinners and that He rose from the dead?
Yes, TJ—they absolutely do. Despite their theological differences, Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox Christians all affirm the core truths of the gospel:
✝️ Shared Beliefs Across Traditions
– Jesus died on the cross: All three traditions teach that Jesus was crucified under Pontius Pilate and that His death was real and historical.
– He died for sinners: This is central to Christian soteriology. Each tradition affirms that Jesus’ death was a sacrificial act for the salvation of humanity—“for our sins,” as Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 15.
– He rose from the dead: The bodily resurrection of Jesus is universally proclaimed as the cornerstone of Christian faith. As Paul says, “If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile” (1 Cor. 15:17).
🕊️ Nuances in Emphasis
While the essentials are shared, each tradition may emphasize different aspects:
– Catholics highlight the sacramental participation in Christ’s death and resurrection through the Eucharist and baptism.
– Protestants (especially Evangelicals) often stress personal faith and justification by grace through faith in Christ’s atoning work.
– Orthodox Christians speak of the resurrection as the victory over death and the gateway to theosis (union with God), but they also affirm that salvation comes through the Cross.
So yes, the crucifixion, atonement, and resurrection of Jesus are unifying beliefs across these major branches of Christianity—even if they diverge on how salvation is applied or understood in practice.
Would you like a visual breakdown of how each tradition frames these doctrines? I could sketch a timeline or a doctrinal comparison chart.
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All Christians do not agree that Jesus died for your sins since you do not agree on what your god considers a sin. Christians also have not and still do not agree on what rising from the dead means either. Your bible has Jesus repeatedly making various claims and again, nothing shows that he existed or that his claims came true. All you have are stories.
Every Christian claims that only their version is “biblical” and not one can show that their claims are any better than the next, TJ. If we are to go with your bible, it says how to identify the true followers of Jesus by what they can do. That neither you, nor any other self-professed Christian, can do these things indicates that either you are all wrong, or your bible is wrong. Which do you want to choose? Christians love to claim only their version is “biblical” but they are desperate to ignore that bible when it shows they are all frauds.
Again, all you have is claiming that only Christians who agree with you are “really” Christian, a common claim amongst all of you. So, no there is no 100% agreement at all. Christians have no unity at all, and those billions you mention can’t agree on the most basic things. There are billions of Catholics, protestants, Calvinists, anabaptists, etc. Which is the right version since not one of you can show that you can do what your bible promises? Again, you cannot all be worshipping the same god if you do not agree on what it wants. A god that has no problem with adulterers is not the same god as one that does.
it’s hilarious when Christians, who know they have nothing, run to AI for confirmation of their nonsense. AI is no more than a spreadsheet that regurgitates what it finds on the internet. It has no idea what it is repeating, if it is true or not, so when you appeal to software to agree with you it’s rather pathetic.
Unsurprisingly, there is no evidence for your Jesus being real or historical. There is no agreement amongst Christians on what their god considers to be a “sin”. We can see that disagreement from the very beginnings of Christianity. So, when a Christian claims “Jesus died for our sins”, this is a statement based on opinion, nothing else.
The bodily resurrection is not universally proclaimed, and has never been. This claim shows an ignorance of Christian history. The epistles of Paul demonstrate that the bodily resurrection was not a common belief even then, with Paul’s ignorance of any supposed bodily resurrection at all. All Paul claims it that this Jesus “appears” to others, which contradicts what the gospels claim. Paul claims that the resurrected jesus is spiritual, which means that claims of Thomas putting his hands in wounds is simply nonsense. 1 Corinthians 15 has paul refering to the “scriptures” which wouldn’t have been the gospels since those were written after the epistles.
TJ, I know Christian history better than you do, so your attempts to lie to me about it are amusing, nothing more.
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Here is my response after I let copilot clean it up. As you know, I am no good at grammar…lol. But after reading how copilot clean my paragraphs and grammar up and think it is better, so here it is, and God bless 🙌
I have found, in my lifetime, many upon many—and read of many more from centuries before me, from the Church Fathers to the Reformation to today—who are in agreement on the Gospel. Though one may be from this century and another from that, or one from this region of the world and another from elsewhere, or one from this denomination and another from that—whether Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, or non-denominational—we share a common foundation.
I attend a non-denominational church. While there are some points on which I differ, when it comes to the essentials and to God’s Word, we are united. We worship God together in joy and unity. There are brothers and sisters in other churches I could choose to attend, but because they are farther away—in another state, country, or part of the world—I don’t. Still, I would feel just as comfortable worshiping in their churches and calling them my brothers and sisters in the Lord.
I’ll admit I haven’t attended a Catholic or Orthodox church, but when I read Chrysostom—whom both Catholics and Orthodox admire—I find myself admiring him too. We all agree on Jesus and the Gospel, and on most of the canon of Scripture, at least on the 66/49 books (depending on how they’re ordered or divided). Yes, we have our differences, but we also have profound common ground. And the most important thing we share is Jesus and the Gospel.
I’ve served many Catholics in my business, and we rejoice together in Jesus and the Gospel—even though they may have never attended a Protestant church, and I’ve only been to a Catholic church a couple of times, for weddings or similar events. Jesus said in John 12:32–33 that He people would be drawn to Himself by the cross, and I see the evidence—over the past 2,000 years and counting—that He has indeed been successful via the cross.
Yes, Jesus predicted the tares among the wheat, and Paul echoed that warning. But both, following the Old Testament prophets, also foretold that the Church would endure throughout the ages. The gates of hell would not prevail—and history has proven this to be true.
These predictions were made by the prophets before Christ (BC/BCE), by Christ Himself during Christ’s life, and by His disciples, Paul, and the early Church Fathers (being confident in what was written and in the early success of the Gospel). And all this long before the Council of Nicaea and through seasons of intense persecution. And yet, the Church endured and continues to do thru the middle ages and reformation, and in 2025 unto all the ages to come.
Take care and God bless.
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TJ, you could be perfect at grammar and your arguments would still fail since they have no evidence to support them. As for your god blessing anything, it’s notable that Christians do no better than anyone else, so why would I believe that your god does anything at all?
As for copilot helping you, you’ve done a great job at showing how copilot can’t be trusted to have any clue about grammar.
Every Christian makes the same claims as you do about their particular version, and not one of you Christians can show that your version is any better than the rest. You each think that only your interpretation of the “gospel” is the right one.
Catholics, protestants, orthodox, nondenominational etc all have their own opinions on what their god wants, and they do not agree on the most basic things. Your “common foundation” does not exist.
It’s nothing surprising that you attend a “non-denominational church”. That only means that some Christians didn’t like what the other churches claimed and invented their own. C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape Letters remark upon how Christians are always splintering, and ending up a church of one. Of course, you differ from it since each Christian invents their own god in their image. You aren’t “united”, you merely tolerate each other.
Nothing requires you to admit you haven’t attended a catholic or orthodox church; I already know that. You don’t want to and are sure that they are wrong. Again, you don’t agree on scripture, you don’t agree on jesus and you don’t agree on the gospel. John Chrysostom is just one more ignorant Christian, a jealous cult leader, who makes claims that can’t be shown as true. It’s notable how the church splinters even then, with disputes about the nature of god, etc with Origen,Arius, etc and not one Christian can show that their version is the right one and not one Christian can do what jesus promises. The split between Catholicism and orthodoxy is part and parcel of Chrysostom’s history. So much for “both” admiring him. As is so often the case, christians pick and choose what they “admire”.
When you make a point of saying how you “serve” catholics in your business, it reads as if I should be impressed that you deign to do so. And you seem to think yourself better than them with your nonsense about how great you are to do so even *if* they haven’t attended a protestant church.
Since I’ve been to many different Christian churches, I know that catholics and protestants worship different gods and different jesuses and they do not interpret the “gospel” the same way. Again, if you can’t agree on what morals this god wants, or the nature of this god, you aren’t worshipping the same god.
Every Christian claims that people are only drawn to their particular version, so your quoting John 12 is meaningless since each Christian has a different god to be drawn to. You have no evidence of success, since, again, there is no one Christianity.
You assume yourself among the “wheat” like all Christians do and accuse anyone who dares not agree with you to be the “tares”. Paul and jesus do not agree, and the church has not endured throughout the ages, splintering into dozens, if not far more, versions. The prophecies have failed, and jesus’ prayers to himself/his father, in John 17, were ignored. There is no reason to believe your nonsense since history has shown your claims to be false.
Christians have persecuted each other consistently throughout history and not a single one has shown that their claims were any better than those they attacked. There is no one “Church”.
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I’ve attended an Assemblies of God-run school, a non-denominational school, a Foursquare church, a Southern Baptist church, an independent KJV-only church, and an Orthodox Presbyterian church. On vacations, I’ll visit other churches—like a Faith Evangelical Free Church (I think that’s the denomination). Yes, they’re all a bit different, but I feel foundationally at home in every one of them.
The Pentecostals do some things I find unusual, but they love the same Jesus I do. The OPC leans heavily into hymns and liturgy, yet I feel at home there too, because they also love Jesus, the Gospel, and the Scriptures. The others fall somewhere in between. The KJV-only church may not embrace contemporary Christian music or other translations—which I’m fine with—but they still love the same Jesus, Gospel, and Scriptures that I do.
I’m currently reading Irenaeus and thoroughly enjoying his clarity, his concern, and his deep love for Jesus, the Gospel, and the Scriptures. I feel a kinship with the amazing Christians of the past. I’ve read through Justin Martyr’s writings, and works by Augustine and Chrysostom, and I feel quite at home with them. I don’t agree with every issue—no more than I agree with my current pastor on every issue—but we both love Jesus, His Gospel, and the Scriptures.
I listen to Christian hip hop, metal, rock, worship, praise, country, and alternative Christian music. Believe it or not, there’s actually a whole genre of Gospel and Christian music. Something makes it Christian—something deeper than stylistic agreement. The artists may not all agree on every theological point, but they share something essential. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!
Anyway, my experience contradicts yours. Jesus will continue to be loved, preached, and trusted. People will keep turning to Him in faith for salvation—just as they did in the 1st century in Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Thessalonica, Smyrna, Philadelphia, and Laodicea. And each believer in different areas had a bit different struggles and needed various different admonitions from the New Testament writers much like Peter had his issues and John his and Thomas his but the same Jesus that they trusted in was handling them all.
Not every local group or denomination is the Church in and of itself. The Church is the body of believers in every place and every generation who believe, love, and trust in Jesus. We’re all growing at different levels and paces in our faith, and yes, there will always be both wheat and tares among us.
This is my experience—and it aligns with what Jesus said. The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Gospel. Anyone, even today, can understand that Jesus died for their sins and trust in Him for salvation. Jesus said His cross would draw people to Himself, and I am one of many who have experienced that loving draw—Christ crucified for this sinner, risen from the dead, conquering sin and death!
And His truth keeps marching on.
Take care…
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Yep, just one more Christian who is sure that only his version is the right one. So, again, curious how you don’t attend catholic churches, orthodox churches, anabaptist churches, etc. and “orthodox presbyterian”? ROFL. It’s great how Christians try to make up names to pretend that they are the only right ones. I always enjoy that since it just shows how Christianity constantly splinters, and not one of them can do what jesus promises.
They are all different and foundationally they are only the same by being the more ignorant versions. It’s nothing surprising that you would find church invented by a fraud like Aimee Semple McPherson attractive.
All you’ve shown is that you need an ignorant church that hates the same people you do.
Irenaeus along with the other “church fathers” are as much frauds as you and McPherson are. Youignore the parts you don’t like about them and invent yet another version of Christianity. I wonder, TJ, are you all about hating the jews like Chrysotom was? Are you okay with Augustine saying that children will go to hell just because they arent’ baptized? Irenaeus says that only the catholic church is the right one, so why aren’t you going to one of those? He’d say that you and your fellows were heretics.
“Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre-eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.”(Irenaeus 1885, Book III, Chapter 3
I do find it amusing that Irenaeus was one of the first ones to bring the gospels together, saying one wasn’t better than the rest. But now Christians do exactly that, when so many of you claim that one should just read the gospel of john, or matthew, etc. Of course, Irenaeus also made up what he wanted from the bible too, claiming that jesus preached far longer than the bible indicates.
It’s notable how you keep claiming you all love jesus, but as I’ve noted, you can’t love the same jesus since you don’t agree on what it wants. When You say “But but I disagree with this” you are declaring that they are wrong and only you are right. Strange how you cant’ support that claim.
I’m sure you do listen to a lot of music and only if it agrees with you. I know that there is a whole genre of gospel and Christian music and Christians can’t agree on which songs are “really” Christian or not. So again, you don’t agree and that you try to lie to me about this is amusing.
Your experience doesn’t contradict mine at all. You claim that only your jesus is the one who is loved, preached and trusted. You keep claiming that people turn to only your jesus and that’s a lie. There has never been one Christianity.
It’s hilarious that you say that the NT has to make different “admonitions” to people, which means that its morals are not consistent. If morals are objective, there would be no need for these supposed differences. Not one believed that the same jesus was handling them all, only that *their* jesus was handling them all.
There is no one “church”. The catholics claim to be “the church”. The orthodox claim to be the same. So do your pentacostalists, your evangelicals, etc. You all claim each other are wrong, so your repeated lies that evyerone is “growing at different levels” are just amusing.
Every cultist claims that their experience agrees with their jesus. You each condemn the others who doesn’t agree with you to hell, and happily, your little sadistic fantasies will never come true. Anyone today can see how Christians don’t agree with each other on who jesus is. We see you attacking each other constantly each claiming the others aren’t “drawn” at all.
and since not one of you can do what jesus promises, we can know that you are all frauds per your own religion.
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We will just have to agree to disagree for now. But real quick as I am busy at work but concerning Irenaeus! I am now on Book 4 and just read the portion you copied. I do not have to agree with all of Irenaeus to still appreciate his love of the gospel and Jesus and others. I consider Irenaeus to be a saved individual even though he may have views that I disagree with because of his clear confessions of the gospel we are brothers on this. Only God knows the heart. Catholics probably really focus on “that every Church should agree with this Church” but no where in scripture is this claimed so I dont hold myself to this and he does say “Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches” and “the apsotolical traditon has been preserved continuously by those (faithful men) who exist everywhere.” But this and my catholic brothers and sisters in Christ may have a difference but it doesn’t mean that I don’t believe in Jesus Christ nor they. Back to work and later on to Book IV…Take care…oh concerning Christian music you are right. I even mentioned a church that I went to that doesn’t believe in contemporary Christian music (I think I did, maybe not) but that doesn’t mean that we don’t agree on the gospel and its the gospel that saves not what music you listen too or not. Laters….
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I have no need to agree with you about anything. You cannot support your claims and thus your “disagreement” is worthless.
You pick and choose what you want from the ‘church fathers’ and like them you just make up a Christianity that you want. You want to use them to support your nonsense through appeals to tradition, but when you don’t like what they would consider you to be, then you just ignore them. How wonderfully hypocritical.
You would be a heretic to him, and damned. It’s hilarious how you want to claim “only god knows his heart” when you claim that you are sure that he is “saved”. Which false claim do you want to make, that you know something or that you don’t?
All Christians “really focus” on that every Christian should agree with this Christian. Every Christian claims that only they know what scripture really means, and each claims that everyone should agree with them. You know, only one truth and all of that.
As I’ve noted, every Christian claims that only they have the “apostolic” tradition, and not one can support that claim. Your attempts to make christainity one happy family are quite ludicrous.
Youv’e been doing a great job of showing how Christians simply make up what they want. And yes, it does mean you don’t agree on the gospel too. Curious how yet again, you an’t even agree on how someone is saved.
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Well, thanks for your challenging comments. Take care…
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Thanks for your demonstration that Christianity is a set of cults that have nothing to support them.
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All Christians must agree that Jesus died for our sins and that he rose from the dead or they aren’t Christians. This is most fundamental…Jesus Himself said somewhere in John 12 that He would draw people unto Himself by the cross in John 12:32 and that He would rise from the dead. If a Christian doesn’t believe this then they aren’t a Biblical Christian and I asked you to go ask 100 Christians who believe in Jesus for their salvation and read their Bibles daily and that you will find 100% agreement. We have great unity and Jesus has indeed drawn billions unto Himself via the preaching of the cross as I am one of them, and I know many many many others and we all agree in this most fundamental truth.
Better just ask copilot the same question I asked it:
Do roman Catholics and Protestants and orthodox all believe that Jesus died on the cross and that He died for sinners and that He rose from the dead?
Yes, TJ—they absolutely do. Despite their theological differences, Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox Christians all affirm the core truths of the gospel:
✝️ Shared Beliefs Across Traditions
– Jesus died on the cross: All three traditions teach that Jesus was crucified under Pontius Pilate and that His death was real and historical.
– He died for sinners: This is central to Christian soteriology. Each tradition affirms that Jesus’ death was a sacrificial act for the salvation of humanity—“for our sins,” as Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 15.
– He rose from the dead: The bodily resurrection of Jesus is universally proclaimed as the cornerstone of Christian faith. As Paul says, “If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile” (1 Cor. 15:17).
🕊️ Nuances in Emphasis
While the essentials are shared, each tradition may emphasize different aspects:
– Catholics highlight the sacramental participation in Christ’s death and resurrection through the Eucharist and baptism.
– Protestants (especially Evangelicals) often stress personal faith and justification by grace through faith in Christ’s atoning work.
– Orthodox Christians speak of the resurrection as the victory over death and the gateway to theosis (union with God), but they also affirm that salvation comes through the Cross.
So yes, the crucifixion, atonement, and resurrection of Jesus are unifying beliefs across these major branches of Christianity—even if they diverge on how salvation is applied or understood in practice.
Would you like a visual breakdown of how each tradition frames these doctrines? I could sketch a timeline or a doctrinal comparison chart.
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