What is it taking…

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” – Genesis 1:27

23 thoughts on “What is it taking…

      1. So are the scientists that “if it ever happens” that created consciousness in a robot themselves, conscious and intelligent? You gotta say yes.
        In quoting the Bible verse, I was just pointing out that this is to some degree what happened to us according to the Scriptures.
        By implication that if this were to happen this is hardly evidence of atheism which teaches non intelligence and non consciousness made consciousness.

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      2. and here we go again. It’s lovely how christians find they must lie. Humans may be able to create life. Nothing shows that your god exists or was required to create life. So you fail miserably again.

        It’s always fun when you have to also lie about “just pointing out”, when that doesn’t appear to be the case at all. Curious how there is no evdience for this happening at all.

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      3. “Humans may be able to create life.” This hardly proves life can come from non intelligence…

        Hey, do you know of any myths or ancient beliefs or writings that have human beings being created in the image of said God. Just curious if you knew the answer to this….maybe I need to ask one who studies ancient beliefs. Take care..

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      4. TJ, nothing shows that life can’t come from non-intelligence. You simply assume your imaginary friend is needed. you have no evidence it is needed, nor any evidence it exists at all.

        I have studied many belief systems and I really enjoy reading myths. it’s hilarious how you seem to think that your religion is unique and thus that makes it true. That could be said for any religion.

        Prometheus, the Titan, created mankind in the form of the gods: “Man was born— 110 either that creator of things, the source
        of a better world, made him from divine seed, or the Earth, newly formed and divided [80]
        only recently from lofty aether
        still held seeds related to the heavens, which Prometheus, Iapetus’ son, mixed PROMETHEUS
        with river water and made an image
        of the gods who rule all things.
        1 Other creatures
        keep their heads bent and gaze upon the ground, but he gave man a face which could look up 120 and ordered him to gaze into the sky
        and, standing erect, raise his countenance
        towards the stars. Thus, what had been crude earth
        and formless was transformed and then took on
        the shapes of human life, unknown till then.” – Metamorphoses, Ovid

        and here are quite a few more:

        The Epic of Gilgamesh states that the goddess Aruru created humans out of clay.[1][2] The epic goes on to narrate how Aruru also creates Enkidu out of clay[3] as an equal partner in strength for Gilgamesh, “mighty in strength”.[2][3]
        The Sumerian myth of Enki and Ninmah (Ninhursag) states that humans were fashioned from clay to serve the gods (see Enki and the Making of Man). Of note, the creation of humans is portrayed as a contest between Enki and Ninhursag, who take turns finding correct places in society for the newly created humans.[4][5] Note further that creation follows a period of gestation lasting nine days, the poet being careful to note that each day corresponds to a month in the human period of gestation.[6]
        The Babylonian Epic of Atrahasis states that humans were created by Nintu (Ninhursag) from mixing clay with the blood of a sacrificed god.[7][8] In context, the elder gods forced the younger gods to do all the hard labor so the younger gods devised a plan to create humans to do their bidding instead. The sacrificed god Ilawela (also written as Geshtu-(E), Geshtu, Gestu, or We-ila) is a minor god of intelligence (the text states this quite clearly: “Ilawela …had intelligence”).[9]

        “The Egyptian god Khnum is said to create human children from clay[12] before placing them into their mother’s womb.[13] In context, though, Egyptians more generally believed in a cyclical view of time and rebirth. ”

        “In Zoroastrian mythology, first the primordial ox, Gavaevodata, and subsequently the primordial human, Gayomart are created from mud by the supreme deity Ahura Mazda.”

        all of this is conveniently collected in the wikipedia article “Creation of life from clay”

        I’m sure you’ll try some nonsense like “but but the myths are similar”. They are, and the reason they are is that humans know that clay can be formed into things, not that your imaginary friend exists.

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      5. Hey, thanks. So, from your understanding the only myth that declares that is similar to what is said in Genesis concerning God creating man in His image is Prometheus. This is good to know for me. I have always been curious about this. Now, I did look up that poem that this is written and it is a poem that originates in 800 AD written by one who lived in about 800 AD.

        Are you aware of any earlier than this? I mean myths that have the creator/god/gods making man in His image earlier than this like in Homer or some Akkadian or Sumerian cuneiform etc etc etc.

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      6. And more attempts to lie from you, TJ. Unsurprisingly, the rest of the myths also fit your silly creation myths (you know, the two that contradict each other in Genesis). It’s wonderful when christains yet again demontrate how the cult needs deceit.

        It’s also amusing when you whine and demand older evidence. What does the age of the myth matter, TJ? Again, you are desperate to find excuses for your cult’s failure to be anything special.

        funny how you are evidently so terribly ignorant that you dont’ know that the followign are from Sumer, etc:

        The Epic of Gilgamesh states that the goddess Aruru created humans out of clay.[1][2] The epic goes on to narrate how Aruru also creates Enkidu out of clay[3] as an equal partner in strength for Gilgamesh, “mighty in strength”.[2][3]
        The *Sumerian* myth of Enki and Ninmah (Ninhursag) states that humans were fashioned from clay to serve the gods (see Enki and the Making of Man). Of note, the creation of humans is portrayed as a contest between Enki and Ninhursag, who take turns finding correct places in society for the newly created humans.[4][5] Note further that creation follows a period of gestation lasting nine days, the poet being careful to note that each day corresponds to a month in the human period of gestation.[6]
        The Babylonian Epic of Atrahasis states that humans were created by Nintu (Ninhursag) from mixing clay with the blood of a sacrificed god.[7][8] In context, the elder gods forced the younger gods to do all the hard labor so the younger gods devised a plan to create humans to do their bidding instead. The sacrificed god Ilawela (also written as Geshtu-(E), Geshtu, Gestu, or We-ila) is a minor god of intelligence (the text states this quite clearly: “Ilawela …had intelligence”).[9]

        “The Egyptian god Khnum is said to create human children from clay[12] before placing them into their mother’s womb.[13] In context, though, Egyptians more generally believed in a cyclical view of time and rebirth. ”

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      7. I think to some people, it may matter where the idea that man is created in God’s image may have come from. For me, I have been curious about this for some time. I do need to ask others, though. I can’t seem to find one, yet. Doesn’t mean there won’t be one upon further discovery or asking those in the know-how.

        But I think it is important to discover where ideas came from and what ideas may or may not be unique to…

        Anyhow, take care…

        Again, here is my favorite atheist of today, bar none. I only post this updated interview in hopes that we can learn some pointers on how to treat those who disagree with ourselves on any issue. He is a most excellent debater and respectful.

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      8. if you were so supposedly curious, why did you do no research for yourself at all?

        I’ve already shown you many. It’s amusing to see how christians find they need to repeatedly lie.

        And gee, christians who like the atheist who doesn’t show how their lies are lies. Not exactly surprising, and still no evidence for your imaginary friend. No need to respect liars and failures who worship rapists, who have no problem with their god committing and commanding genocide, killing people for things they didn’t do and for supporting slavery.

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      9. I have done my own research and have found none that record in their beliefs that man is created in the image of God except the Bible and the one example you show from 800 AD. But I always like to check my research against others, and to date, it seems to hold to be the case.

        Take care…

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      10. As usual, you lie, TJ, since I’ve shown you other myths that say what yours does. It’s great to often see christians show how they depend on lies and ignorance to cling to the cult.

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      11. No, you haven’t. Creating from dirt is not the same as creating us in His image.

        Genesis 9:6 reads: “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.”

        Not: “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for out of the dirt/clay/mud/etc etc etc God made he man.”

        Our value, according to the Bible, is rooted in that we are created in the image of God, not that we are created from dirt, though this is the case. And I was curious to know if you know of any other beliefs that have this documented in their beliefs. To which you pointed out one in 800 AD.

        Maybe, I missed something, though, so feel free to respond with exactly what I missed.

        Take care

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      12. Funny how your bible says your god created people from dirt. Nice fail, TJ. A shame your god hates lies and liars, so if you are right, you are damned.

        Genesis 1 says “So God created humankind[e] in his image,
        in the image of God he created them;[f]
        male and female he created them.”

        so is the first creation story part of the second or not, dear? If it is, then you’ve lied. If it isn’t, your bible has two contradictory creation stories. Which do you want to claim?

        “7 then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.” Genesis 2

        the hebrew word translated as “dust”:

        Pronounce: aw-fawr’

        Strong: H6083

        Orig: from 6080; dust (as powdered or gray); hence, clay, earth, mud:–ashes, dust, earth, ground, morter, powder, rubbish. H6080

        Use: TWOT-1664a Noun Masculine

        Grk Strong: G285 G1093 G1475 G2868 G4081 G5529

        1) dry earth, dust, powder, ashes, earth, ground, mortar, rubbish
        1a) dry or loose earth
        1b) debris
        1c) mortar
        1d) ore

        the hebrew word translated as ground:
        Pronounce: ad-aw-maw’

        Strong: H127

        Orig: from 119; soil (from its general redness):–country, earth, ground, husband(-man) (-ry), land. H119

        Use: TWOT-25b Noun Feminine

        Grk Strong: G1093 G5561

        1) ground, land
        1a) ground (as general, tilled, yielding sustenance)
        1b) piece of ground, a specific plot of land
        1c) earth substance (for building or constructing)
        1d) ground as earth’s visible surface

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      13. But do you know of any literature that has man created in the image of God other than the Bible? And you gave me one from 800 AD and none from earlier than that.

        Now, we may find some from earlier. But as of to date, it appears the Bible is the earliest, right?

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      14. Never made that argument…and I agree with you but this point may come into play when one chooses to compare beliefs with one another and what not. Take care…

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      15. Sure, TJ. “But do you know of any literature that has man created in the image of God other than the Bible? And you gave me one from 800 AD and none from earlier than that.

        Now, we may find some from earlier. But as of to date, it appears the Bible is the earliest, right?”

        Then why does it matter if something is earlier? Why did you say that?

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      16. It doesn’t prove the Scriptures to be the word of God but only that to date the Scriptures are the earliest and maybe the only (except the 800 AD poem of Prometheus) to teach that man is created in the image of God.

        To me, as a believer in the Scriptures, I think this is kind of cool. But I wanna be sure this accurate info. Take care…

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    1. I take the view that man is created in the image of God in that he is relational and able to have a relationship with God himself and each other. These are non physical things and more spiritual and visibly invisble. Genesis 2:7 says that God forms man but isn’t a living being like God is until God breathed into the non living formed man the breath of life and then man becomes a “living being/soul” and I don’t believe he is quite yet fully created in the image of God until the women comes along and the 2 become one and now the image of God is complete. So, the image of God is more about invisible things like conversations and relationship and love and beauty and spirituality then about the form of Adam and Eve (but if it is then maybe since Jesus will one day become man that they were created formly in this image and angels have a certain form though they are ministering spirits and what not so it could be a little bit of both). These things aren’t exactly visible, say, like a sunset is and man is uniquely created to understand these things like His Creator and in a very relational/linguistic way. Something along these lines. But I could be wrong and in part wrong and in part right. But clearly since our body without the breath of life is not living this body can not be the image of God that Genesis 1 was talking about, and it is male and female created in His image too.

      “In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; [2] male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.” Genesis 5:1b,2⁷

      I got a question that I am highly curious about. Is there any other ancient religion or myth around Bible times or before or shortly afterward that teaches that man is created in the image of God? Do you know cause as far as I know I don’t believe there is and that this is unique to the Scriptures but I could be wrong? It wouldn’t phase my belief in he Scriptures if there were another as that religion would be only copying the OG from my perspective but just be curious.

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