and here we go again with the christian who can’t grasp that morality isn’t from his imaginary friend but from humans. It’s great how christians still try to lie and claim that atheists are nihilists and amoral. We aren’t.
Morality is invented by humans, and that means it is subjective and we can throw out the ignorance from the bible and replace it.
Christian morality is demonstrably subjective, with each inventing a list of morals they claim their god wants, and yet the poor dears can’t show that their god merely exists, much less agrees with them. They also have the problem that they must insist that their god doesn’t have to follow these supposedly “objective” morals since they have to invent excuses why it is okay for this god to commit genocide, to kill people for the actions of others, etc. This makes their morality subjective to who someone is. it also shows their morality is little more than might equals right.
Classic that you can’t show your morals to be objective at all, nor that your god merely exists.
“Morality is invented by humans, and that means it is subjective…” I get you so far. But the next line would be inconsistent then.
“We can throw out the ignorance from the Bible and replace it.” This statement assumes morality is objective, though. Cause if morality is subjective and no one is doing anything objective right or wrong, then you would be unjustly replacing the Bible with Marxism or Socialism or Atheism or Secularism etc etc etc. Unless your subjective morality deems it ok to be unjust, which I would assume is what you would have to fall back on in order to make this work.
And if so, then your subjective morality view I would deem as unjust or logicaly inconsistent/incoherent and thus I lack a belief in this idea of your form of atheistic athics/morality and why I continue to believe as I do and believe you should believe in the God of the Bible.
As far as your criticism of the Bible, may I ask of you to give an example from the Bible that you believe teaches that God committed genocide.
Nope, not at all, but do explain why it would be consistent. You certainly failed with your current attempt since you make no sense at all. Do show how saying “we can throw out the ignorance from the bible and replace it” means that there is objective morality.
One simply replaces the ignorant bible morality with our modern morality. both are subjective, but one is better than the other, since, happlily, most people don’t defend genocide, slavery and the killing of people for things they didn’t do anymore.
Again, no need for objective right and wrong and christians most certainly dont’ have any objective morality. You can’t demonstrate that exists or that your imaginary friend exists.
But do try.
There is nothing “unjust” in replacing your bible’s nonsense with something else that works better. Your bible morality is murderous nonsense based on imaginary beings.
Yep, you could claim that my morality is wrong, but you still can’t show that yours is objective nor that your god exists and agrees with your version of what you deem christain morality *should* be.
It’s always enjoyable to teach christians about their bible.
Let’s look at what genocide it first. This is the UN definition:
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
So let’s look at what your god does.
“Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)”
““Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7)”
““You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD. “With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. “As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem,” says the LORD. “Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy,” says the LORD. “I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out,” says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)”
“This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3)”
“When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29)”
and the good ol’ Numbers 31:
” 7 They did battle against Midian, as the Lord had commanded Moses, and killed every male. 8 They killed the kings of Midian: Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Midian, in addition to others who were slain by them; and they also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites took the women of Midian and their little ones captive; and they took all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods as booty. 10 All their towns where they had settled, and all their encampments, they burned, 11 but they took all the spoil and all the booty, both people and animals. 12 Then they brought the captives and the booty and the spoil to Moses, to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the Israelites, at the camp on the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho.
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13 Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses became angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 15 Moses said to them, ‘Have you allowed all the women to live? 16 These women here, on Balaam’s advice, made the Israelites act treacherously against the Lord in the affair of Peor, so that the plague came among the congregation of the Lord. 17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. ”
And here is where yuor god is demanding his share of the virgins and booty:
“25 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 26 ‘You and Eleazar the priest and the heads of the ancestral houses of the congregation make an inventory of the booty captured, both human and animal. 27 Divide the booty into two parts, between the warriors who went out to battle and all the congregation. 28 From the share of the warriors who went out to battle, set aside as tribute for the Lord one item out of every five hundred, whether persons, oxen, donkeys, sheep, or goats. 29 Take it from their half and give it to Eleazar the priest as an offering to the Lord. 30 But from the Israelites’ half you shall take one out of every fifty, whether persons, oxen, donkeys, sheep, or goats—all the animals—and give them to the Levites who have charge of the tabernacle of the Lord.’”
I’m sure you’ll try to claim there is a good excuse for genocide. That still makes it genocide.
But if morality is subjective, then there is no better morality to replace any morality with. This assumes some sort of objective morality to judge which morality is better than the other.
So, let’s start first with Deuteronomy 13:13-18.
1) God’s law was to be the law of Israel. So, to cause God’s people to turn against their God and worship other gods and their laws would be like Muslims enforcing shariah law on Americans on American soil or Nazi’s setting up concentration camps for citizens of America on American spoil. A form of treason. God’s fist commandment of the 10 for Israel was clear “thou shalt have no other gods”. Israel responded that in their land they would have no other gods. They agreed to this law willingly.
2) God’s just that important. If the law had no punishment for the crime of turning to false gods, then this would devalue the One True God (who isnof infinite value and the punishment here would still be eternally insufficent). The punishment reveals the seriousness of the crime and the value of the offended party.
3) Besides these gods morality contradicted God’s. They were throwing there children in the fire
Nothing like baseless claims that there is no way to know what is better. Why not? Again, no one needs your imaginary friend to know what they find acceptable and not.
Jesus says otherwise, and as usual christains are terrified if someone points out they should be following those rather inconvenient laws in the OT.
No god so no imaginary treason. As always humans invent their religions, and declare some god is upset if someone dare not follow what the humans made up. All you have is a made up story that never happened.
God isn’t important, and in fact imaginary. Again, all you have are humans decreeing things they claim a god wants. IT’s hilarious that poor god is so butt hurt that he is being dissed by what amount to be ants.
No evidence of human sacrifice in those cultures, and curiously enough, mention of human sacrifice that your god approves in your bible. As for this god’s morality, again, christains can’t agree on what that even is.
No one needs your imaginary friend to know…. Yes, they do and here is why.
You claim morality is subjective and if so then morality is no different than a flavor of ice cream. Human’s invented chocolate and they invented vanilla flavored ice cream. This doesn’t force me to believe or justify my belief that one flavor of icecream is better or worse than the other. You see morality as subjective and invented by human beings which would mean no morality is better or worse than another. Subjective morality and the idea that one is better than the other is a contradiction.
If morality is subjective there is no better or worse morality for it is subjective. Hitler’s morality is no better or worse than mine or yours if morality is but a subjective human invention. This is why I lack a belief in your view of morality and it being a subjective human invention cause nobody in their rational conscience believes this consistently. This is deceptive thinking though maybe self deceptive think…..
This is exactly what the God of the Scriptures says will happen when you reject Him. You become foolish though you profess yourself to be wise. This argument for me evidences forth this truth in Scripture. Anyhow, take care for now
No, they don’t, and the reason is that each of you christains have a different god, and each of you makes the claim that it only agrees with your desired morality. You can’t even convince each other.
You all show that morality is subjective, so you have no magical right to declare your morality the only and only to be followed.
Morality is quite a bit different from a flavor of ice cream since ice cream preference doesn’t make people kill each other. You fail yet again with ignorant and thoughtless analogies.
We can tell if morality is better or worse by seeing what actual harm it does. Again, Christians can’t agree on whose morality is better, nor can you show that any magical being is the source of it. I’m still waiting for you to give that evidence.
There is nothing contradictory about subjective things being better or worse. But nice try.
Hitler’s morality is worse since it causes more real harm. Same with the morality in your bible, it says that the jews are responsible for JC’s death, when that is a lie since no one but your god wanted such nonsense to happen. Your Christian morality worse than my morality since I don’t’ believe in baseless nonsense as the truth and then base my morality on that.
Your believe in how morality works doesn’t matter sincen reality agrees with me. And plenty of people in their rational minds believes that that morality is subjective. Your baseless claims fail yet again.
So, dear, show your morality is objective, your god is real, and that subjective morality is “self-deceoption”. You make lots of claims. Now you need to support them.
NO god, so all you have is what some anonymous writers have their imaginary friend say. And dear, every cult claims those outside the cult are foolish. I’m not impressed with more nonsense from someone who can’t even do what his supposed messiah promises.
I think you missed my point. My point is not that morality is like ice cream but that IF morality is a subjective human invention, then it would be just like subjective flavors of ice cream and so you can never have a better or worse morality based on subjective human invention.
But you said that we can tell if morality is better or worse by seeing what actual harm it does. But if this is itself a subjective human invention like ice cream then a morality that believes there should not be harm done to others is just something made up by humans like ice cream and another morality that justifies human harm is no better or worse and no different than choosing chocolate over vanilla or vice a verse. That is what subjective morality gets you and leaves you and why I reject morality as being a subjective human invention.
Now if causing harm to one another is objectively wrong and not a mere subjective human invention then I would agree.
1) Again this was in Israel under God’s law and these people apparently were doing things highly offensive! See vs 9,10: 9Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not. AND as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.” So these people were very wicked and this was justice. This is just what God said would happen to Israel if they turned away to served treasonous gods.
Better go. I have been having to answers these rather quickly but we can get into more detail if you like. Gotta go
I said nothing of the likes. I rather read the God given reason given in the next 2 verses: “The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is EXCEEDING GREAT, and the LAND IS FULL OF BLOOD, and the city FULL OF PERVERSENESS…”.
So, you are saying that genocide is fine as long as your god wants it. It’s easy to claim that people are evil and deserve genocide. Curious how hitler did exactly the same as your bible has your god doing, make up baseless claims to give an excuse why genocide is okay.
It’s easy for you to take God’s word out of context to make your points. But that is all you are doing. I have yet to see any legitimacy in your interpretation of Ezekiel or Deutoronmy. I believe my interpretation would be a more accurate and fair one then your extremely biased one. Take care for now
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atheists can be stupid and join cults. that doesn’t mean your cult’s lies are true. You fail again.
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But does it really matter if atheism is true?
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Yep, it does matter. Why? since your cult causes real harm with its willful ignorance, lies, hate and fear.
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What’s wrong with anything if your form of atheism is true? You said morality is subjective, right? Or is morality objective now?
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and here we go again with the christian who can’t grasp that morality isn’t from his imaginary friend but from humans. It’s great how christians still try to lie and claim that atheists are nihilists and amoral. We aren’t.
Morality is invented by humans, and that means it is subjective and we can throw out the ignorance from the bible and replace it.
Christian morality is demonstrably subjective, with each inventing a list of morals they claim their god wants, and yet the poor dears can’t show that their god merely exists, much less agrees with them. They also have the problem that they must insist that their god doesn’t have to follow these supposedly “objective” morals since they have to invent excuses why it is okay for this god to commit genocide, to kill people for the actions of others, etc. This makes their morality subjective to who someone is. it also shows their morality is little more than might equals right.
Classic that you can’t show your morals to be objective at all, nor that your god merely exists.
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“Morality is invented by humans, and that means it is subjective…” I get you so far. But the next line would be inconsistent then.
“We can throw out the ignorance from the Bible and replace it.” This statement assumes morality is objective, though. Cause if morality is subjective and no one is doing anything objective right or wrong, then you would be unjustly replacing the Bible with Marxism or Socialism or Atheism or Secularism etc etc etc. Unless your subjective morality deems it ok to be unjust, which I would assume is what you would have to fall back on in order to make this work.
And if so, then your subjective morality view I would deem as unjust or logicaly inconsistent/incoherent and thus I lack a belief in this idea of your form of atheistic athics/morality and why I continue to believe as I do and believe you should believe in the God of the Bible.
As far as your criticism of the Bible, may I ask of you to give an example from the Bible that you believe teaches that God committed genocide.
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Nope, not at all, but do explain why it would be consistent. You certainly failed with your current attempt since you make no sense at all. Do show how saying “we can throw out the ignorance from the bible and replace it” means that there is objective morality.
One simply replaces the ignorant bible morality with our modern morality. both are subjective, but one is better than the other, since, happlily, most people don’t defend genocide, slavery and the killing of people for things they didn’t do anymore.
Again, no need for objective right and wrong and christians most certainly dont’ have any objective morality. You can’t demonstrate that exists or that your imaginary friend exists.
But do try.
There is nothing “unjust” in replacing your bible’s nonsense with something else that works better. Your bible morality is murderous nonsense based on imaginary beings.
Yep, you could claim that my morality is wrong, but you still can’t show that yours is objective nor that your god exists and agrees with your version of what you deem christain morality *should* be.
It’s always enjoyable to teach christians about their bible.
Let’s look at what genocide it first. This is the UN definition:
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
So let’s look at what your god does.
“Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)”
““Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7)”
““You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD. “With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. “As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem,” says the LORD. “Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy,” says the LORD. “I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out,” says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)”
“This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3)”
“When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29)”
and the good ol’ Numbers 31:
” 7 They did battle against Midian, as the Lord had commanded Moses, and killed every male. 8 They killed the kings of Midian: Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Midian, in addition to others who were slain by them; and they also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites took the women of Midian and their little ones captive; and they took all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods as booty. 10 All their towns where they had settled, and all their encampments, they burned, 11 but they took all the spoil and all the booty, both people and animals. 12 Then they brought the captives and the booty and the spoil to Moses, to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the Israelites, at the camp on the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho.
Return from the War
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses became angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 15 Moses said to them, ‘Have you allowed all the women to live? 16 These women here, on Balaam’s advice, made the Israelites act treacherously against the Lord in the affair of Peor, so that the plague came among the congregation of the Lord. 17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. ”
And here is where yuor god is demanding his share of the virgins and booty:
“25 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 26 ‘You and Eleazar the priest and the heads of the ancestral houses of the congregation make an inventory of the booty captured, both human and animal. 27 Divide the booty into two parts, between the warriors who went out to battle and all the congregation. 28 From the share of the warriors who went out to battle, set aside as tribute for the Lord one item out of every five hundred, whether persons, oxen, donkeys, sheep, or goats. 29 Take it from their half and give it to Eleazar the priest as an offering to the Lord. 30 But from the Israelites’ half you shall take one out of every fifty, whether persons, oxen, donkeys, sheep, or goats—all the animals—and give them to the Levites who have charge of the tabernacle of the Lord.’”
I’m sure you’ll try to claim there is a good excuse for genocide. That still makes it genocide.
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But if morality is subjective, then there is no better morality to replace any morality with. This assumes some sort of objective morality to judge which morality is better than the other.
So, let’s start first with Deuteronomy 13:13-18.
1) God’s law was to be the law of Israel. So, to cause God’s people to turn against their God and worship other gods and their laws would be like Muslims enforcing shariah law on Americans on American soil or Nazi’s setting up concentration camps for citizens of America on American spoil. A form of treason. God’s fist commandment of the 10 for Israel was clear “thou shalt have no other gods”. Israel responded that in their land they would have no other gods. They agreed to this law willingly.
2) God’s just that important. If the law had no punishment for the crime of turning to false gods, then this would devalue the One True God (who isnof infinite value and the punishment here would still be eternally insufficent). The punishment reveals the seriousness of the crime and the value of the offended party.
3) Besides these gods morality contradicted God’s. They were throwing there children in the fire
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Nothing like baseless claims that there is no way to know what is better. Why not? Again, no one needs your imaginary friend to know what they find acceptable and not.
Jesus says otherwise, and as usual christains are terrified if someone points out they should be following those rather inconvenient laws in the OT.
No god so no imaginary treason. As always humans invent their religions, and declare some god is upset if someone dare not follow what the humans made up. All you have is a made up story that never happened.
God isn’t important, and in fact imaginary. Again, all you have are humans decreeing things they claim a god wants. IT’s hilarious that poor god is so butt hurt that he is being dissed by what amount to be ants.
No evidence of human sacrifice in those cultures, and curiously enough, mention of human sacrifice that your god approves in your bible. As for this god’s morality, again, christains can’t agree on what that even is.
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No one needs your imaginary friend to know…. Yes, they do and here is why.
You claim morality is subjective and if so then morality is no different than a flavor of ice cream. Human’s invented chocolate and they invented vanilla flavored ice cream. This doesn’t force me to believe or justify my belief that one flavor of icecream is better or worse than the other. You see morality as subjective and invented by human beings which would mean no morality is better or worse than another. Subjective morality and the idea that one is better than the other is a contradiction.
If morality is subjective there is no better or worse morality for it is subjective. Hitler’s morality is no better or worse than mine or yours if morality is but a subjective human invention. This is why I lack a belief in your view of morality and it being a subjective human invention cause nobody in their rational conscience believes this consistently. This is deceptive thinking though maybe self deceptive think…..
This is exactly what the God of the Scriptures says will happen when you reject Him. You become foolish though you profess yourself to be wise. This argument for me evidences forth this truth in Scripture. Anyhow, take care for now
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No, they don’t, and the reason is that each of you christains have a different god, and each of you makes the claim that it only agrees with your desired morality. You can’t even convince each other.
You all show that morality is subjective, so you have no magical right to declare your morality the only and only to be followed.
Morality is quite a bit different from a flavor of ice cream since ice cream preference doesn’t make people kill each other. You fail yet again with ignorant and thoughtless analogies.
We can tell if morality is better or worse by seeing what actual harm it does. Again, Christians can’t agree on whose morality is better, nor can you show that any magical being is the source of it. I’m still waiting for you to give that evidence.
There is nothing contradictory about subjective things being better or worse. But nice try.
Hitler’s morality is worse since it causes more real harm. Same with the morality in your bible, it says that the jews are responsible for JC’s death, when that is a lie since no one but your god wanted such nonsense to happen. Your Christian morality worse than my morality since I don’t’ believe in baseless nonsense as the truth and then base my morality on that.
Your believe in how morality works doesn’t matter sincen reality agrees with me. And plenty of people in their rational minds believes that that morality is subjective. Your baseless claims fail yet again.
So, dear, show your morality is objective, your god is real, and that subjective morality is “self-deceoption”. You make lots of claims. Now you need to support them.
NO god, so all you have is what some anonymous writers have their imaginary friend say. And dear, every cult claims those outside the cult are foolish. I’m not impressed with more nonsense from someone who can’t even do what his supposed messiah promises.
You are a fraud per your own bible.
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I think you missed my point. My point is not that morality is like ice cream but that IF morality is a subjective human invention, then it would be just like subjective flavors of ice cream and so you can never have a better or worse morality based on subjective human invention.
But you said that we can tell if morality is better or worse by seeing what actual harm it does. But if this is itself a subjective human invention like ice cream then a morality that believes there should not be harm done to others is just something made up by humans like ice cream and another morality that justifies human harm is no better or worse and no different than choosing chocolate over vanilla or vice a verse. That is what subjective morality gets you and leaves you and why I reject morality as being a subjective human invention.
Now if causing harm to one another is objectively wrong and not a mere subjective human invention then I would agree.
Take care…
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I didn’t miss y our point. Your point failed and now you have to try to make up something else.
Morality is subjective, and you and all of your little friends can’t show that your god exists or what morality it wants.
You are a liar, dear. Yep, I said that I can determine what morality is better. That is subjective too.
I don’t care what you reject if you can’t support your claims, dear. As usual, you fail miserably with your baseless claims.
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Concerning the Ezekiel passage:
1) Again this was in Israel under God’s law and these people apparently were doing things highly offensive! See vs 9,10: 9Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not. AND as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.” So these people were very wicked and this was justice. This is just what God said would happen to Israel if they turned away to served treasonous gods.
Better go. I have been having to answers these rather quickly but we can get into more detail if you like. Gotta go
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So, you are arguing that genocide is okay as long as your god wants it, correct?
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I said nothing of the likes. I rather read the God given reason given in the next 2 verses: “The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is EXCEEDING GREAT, and the LAND IS FULL OF BLOOD, and the city FULL OF PERVERSENESS…”.
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So, you are saying that genocide is fine as long as your god wants it. It’s easy to claim that people are evil and deserve genocide. Curious how hitler did exactly the same as your bible has your god doing, make up baseless claims to give an excuse why genocide is okay.
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It’s easy for you to take God’s word out of context to make your points. But that is all you are doing. I have yet to see any legitimacy in your interpretation of Ezekiel or Deutoronmy. I believe my interpretation would be a more accurate and fair one then your extremely biased one. Take care for now
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so, dear, show how I’ve taken anything out of context. Surely you can, right?
or are you just lying again as you have in the past where you also couldn’t support that claim?
All you have is “uh-uh” and nothing to support your lies. You offer no interpretation at all, since you can’t support what you want to claim.
Again, you are nothing but a failure, dear.
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