“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.” – Psalm 139:13-14
Salvation is to trust Jesus over whatever it is you are trusting over Him!
You are either for or against Jesus! It is better to put your faith, trust and confidence in Him than whatever it may be that we are trusting over Him!
“It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in humans. It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in princes.” – Psalms 118:8-9
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Curious how this god, if a “designer”, managed to be either an idiot or malicious since the human body is designed to cause thousands of humans to choke to death every year. It also causes intractable back pain, hernias, etc.You’ll likely try to claim the “fall” is at fault, but that doesn’t work since, if you claim the fall, then you have no idea what your god actually intended, and can see no “design” at all.
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I see evidence of design, and I see evidence of the fall. I really do…
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I’m sure you think you do and yet you can’t show any of this supposed “evidence”. All you have are baseless assertions. How can you see evidence for design, when per the fall *everything* was changed from what your god supposed intended?
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All you have to do is have some eyes to see the amazing design in this universe and eyes to also see corruption. They co exist in this universe. Now, it takes some interpretation to interpret these facts. I trust Jesus’ interpretation, and you don’t. But design and corruption can co exist in a Biblical worldview. There is no contradiction.
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Again, all cults make this claim saying their particular god is the “designer/creator” and not one of you can show that your god merely exists, much less that it has done anything at all.
Every cultist also “interprets” their religion as they want, and no surprise, you can’t agree about that either. Not one of you can show your version to be true.
Your bible claims that reality was “perfect”. As soon as it is corrupted, it is all corrupted, and no longer perfect. So any “design” you claim to see isn’t what your god wanted; it is flawed.
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And again. Assuming the Scriptures to be true, one would expect to see amazing designs in creation all over the place and the effects of the curse all over the place. I do…God bless
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That’s all you have, TJ, assuming the scriptures are true with no evidence whatsoever. Again, no signs of what your god intended, aka “design” if everything was changed by the “fall”. If I make a scuplture that is how I want it to be, and something happens to that sculpture that changes what I intended, it is not my “design” anymore.
the creationist argument fails miserably.
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Again, we can have both. There is much design and much corruption in the universe. I believe we can recognize both. Take care and God bless…
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Again, you can’t have both. How can you tell what your god intended and what it didn’t? Your opinion?
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Scripture, God bless…
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Curious how “scripture” doesn’t do that, dear. Do show how your claim supposedly works.
It’s great how christians themselves can’t agree on what their “scripture” even means.
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The Scriptures teach that God is a God of order and so we can see in His creation amazing order and design. The Scriptures also teach that since the fall, there is a designed curse upon our world because of our wickedness, and I can perceive both. You apparently don’t. Don’t know what else to say. God bless…
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You claim to see “order” and “design” and yet yuo can’t per your bible. There is no “order” or “design” in making the sun give humans and other animals cancer.
Curious how the fall makes no sense at all and shows your god to be quite a liar. This god cursed everything becaose of the actions of two amoral people that it failed with. This god didn’t want them to have morality and intentionally kept it from them. Thus they had no idea that obedience is “good”. Then this god either couldn’t keep satan out or intentionally allowed it into the garden, and didn’t warn adam and eve.
When it failed, it had a temper tantrum, and rather than forgiving adam and eve, you know, like jesus says to do, this god kicks them out and curses everyone.
Shame your god says that cursing people for the action of others is wrong: “The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “What do you[a] mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? 3 As I live, declares the Lord God, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.” Ezekiel 18
your god changes its mind, dear. Christians claim that their god doesn’t. Christians claim that their god is the source of morality, when this god never gave morality to humans at all.
Again, you simply lie and contradict your bible. Nothing new for a christian.
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There are things just as with disciples and the new testament church that Paul had to correct them on and the church will continue to need this encouragement but there are also defining things that one is c9nsidered a Christian or not by like the crucifixion of Jesus that all who are Christian agree on like Jesus death burial and resurrection which many historians would disagree with you and definitely the New Testaments writers and Jesus Himself would disagree with you on.
As far as the Quran is concerned, just check out copolits points as to whether or not I’m a liar:
Yes, the Quran does reference the Gospels—known in Arabic as the Injeel—and acknowledges them as a divine revelation given to Jesus (Isa in Arabic). Here’s a breakdown of how the Quran engages with the Gospels:
📖 Quranic References to the Gospels
– Affirmation of Revelation: The Quran states that the Gospel was revealed by God to Jesus as guidance and light for the people.
– Surah 3:3–4: “He has sent down upon you Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel before as guidance for the people.”[
– Surah 5:46: “And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light…”
– Respect for Previous Scriptures: Muslims are taught to believe in all previous revelations, including the Torah, Psalms (Zabur), and Gospel.
– Surah 2:136: “Say, ‘We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob… and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord.’”
– No Explicit Claim of Corruption: While some Islamic scholars argue that the original Gospel message was altered over time, the Quran itself does not explicitly state that the Gospel was corrupted. Instead, it emphasizes the importance of divine revelation and warns against misrepresenting scripture.
🧠 Theological Implications
The Quran’s references to the Gospel are part of a broader theme: affirming the continuity of divine guidance through different prophets. It positions the Quran as the final revelation, while still honoring the messages that came before.
Would you like to explore how these references compare with Christian understandings of the Gospels? Or maybe dive into how Islamic tradition views Jesus and his teachings?
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Ah, so Jesus failed and Paul had to “correct” them. That’s hilarious. Christians have not, and still do not agreeo n what jesus is. Again, there is no one true Christianity and no true Christians.
Some historians think that there is a human core to the jesus myth. In any case, there is no evidence for your magic jesus or a delusional Jewish fellow who claimed to be the messiah. And since Christians don’t worship a delusional Jewish fellow, your claims fail. If jesus disagrees with me, let him tell me, rather than a puny human.
No idea what a “copolits” is.
The qu’ran references Jesus, it does not agree that jesus was the son of god, or any of the other silliness. So, all you have are competing baseless claims. Curious how believing in the qu’ran means one can’t believe in the gospel since the gospel doesn’t agree with it. In one jesus is a prophet, in the other jesus is god. Muslims do not believe that.
The bible has been altered, so again you still fail.
Great to see you steal information without attribution.
I already know how the qu’ran presents jesus and how the bible does. They don’t agree, so your lies still fail.
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But the Quran jumps off of the Gospels and prior Scripture and a Christianity that has already infected the whole world over whereas Christianity did not. Islam is riding off of the success of Christianity. God bless…
If you don’t believe there is such a thing as Christianity I don’t know what to say. God bless…
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It does not, TJ. It invents a whole new story after the OT. Christians do love to lie and claim everything is their success.
As I have shown Christianity has not succeeded. If it had then there would not be dozens, if not thousands, of contradictory versions of it. There is no one Christianity, there are many, and not one christian can show that their version is the right one or that any are correct.
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““It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in humans. It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in princes.” – Psalms 118:8-9”
so I shouldn’t trust you or any christain since you can’t agree on what version is the right one, and curious how your god lets christains be massacred and does nothing at all. Your imaginary friend deserves no trust.
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I do not believe God is doing nothing at all. I believe He is at the end of time as much as He is at the beginning and everywhere in between which means the massacres have been fully vindicated and indemnified. Its as though they never happened in the first place. God is all powerful, omnipresent, and all just to take care of righting every wrong that has ever been committed or will be and He has already done so from His perspective being the One and Only who inhabits eternity! I’ll trust Jesus over you, myself, or anybody else any day! I’ll bank on Him over whatever it is you are banking on! God bless…
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You may believe that, but you can’t suport your claim with any evidence your god does anything at all.
You make vague claims that your god is “at the end of time” and that it is everywhere, when you can’t show that is true. Your entire set of claism depends on presuppositions you can’t support, just like any other theist.
Then you try to claim that since your god is supposedly everywhere, somehow this excuses its failure to fulfill its promises. You can’t explain how this works at all. You simply assert it.
Per your own bible, your god is not allpowerful, omnipresent or all just, since your god fails at various things, including Eden, has to go look at things (see babel, etc) and kills people, including children, for things they didn’t do (see david’s son).
your god does nothing to “right wrongs” since you can’t show that it merely exists, TJ. Again, you simply make baseless assertions to try to cover up your god’s failure.
It’s hilarious when you try to claim that your god’s “perspective” is that it has acted already, which means that there is no cause and effect for this god.
Of course, you’ll “trust” your version of jesus over me, every christian does the same with their version of jesus. You are doing no more than agreeing with yourself, since your jesus doesn’t exist except as a figment of your imagination.
Christians have “banked” on their god for 2000+ years and it has failed them constantly, so much that they have invented an entire industry of apologetics, since they have to make excuses on why it fails.
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“Christians have “banked” on their God for 2000+ years, and it has failed them constantly….” So, in your view, Christianity has been a failure. In what way? I see it in its mission as being highly successful. Jesus predicted Heaven and Earth would pass before His words do, and Paul predicted that Christianity would last thru out all ages. These predictions were made in the 1st century AD. Jesus predicted all sorts of people would be drawn to Him because of what He did at the cross for them, and here we are today, 2000+ years later talking about Him. That His message would go geographically everywhere and spread all over the place. There would be good and bad players in all this predicted by Christ so the fact there is good Christians and bad is both evidence of Christ’s prediction just like we can see design and corruption both as evidence of what the Scripturanyway.
Christianity has outlasted the Greek pantheon (who believes in Zeus anymore), more successful in so many different ways than the philosophers, more successful than Judaism in getting the Tanakh out to the nations and drawing the nations unto the teachings of Creation, Moses, David, Joseph, the Psalms, Proverbs, Prophets etc etc etc. More people know of the God the Scriptures because of Christianity than probably any other Scripture believing religion like Islam and Judaism or Mormon is etc etc etc
Anyhow, I guess I could go on more about the successes of Christianity if you want, but the mission has been highly successful. Maybe I have a fact or two wrong about history, but nobody can argue that Christianity was a complete failure, as you seem to indicate.
Jesus never promised we would never be persecuted! Actually being persecuted is an expectation. So, persecution fulfills yet another prediction of Christ. Hardly at all shows Him to be a failure.
Trust the universe, yourself, or whatever you wish, but I’ll take Christ over whatever it is you are trusting in over Him any day. God bless…
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There is no one “christianity” so your entire post is nonsense, since the various versions do not agree about the most basic things. So, no, it has not outlived anything. It has splintered repeatedly and each versoin contradicts the others.
Curous how your god promised that it would protect its chosen from any physical threat, Psalm 91 amongst many others, and that it would provide all that anyone needs to live, Luke 12. Your god has failed to live up to its promises.
And you have failed to be able to do what jesus promises, dear, so you are a fraud per your own religion. So much for any “success”.
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The Scriptures show that unity has always been an issue for the people of God and always will be this side of heaven. Thus, disunity is no sign that Christianity is not true but actually something that will be a struggle, and we see evidence of this struggle thruout church history. The 1st century Corinthians struggled with this, and so did the disciples and Old Testament saints, but what keeps shining thru it all is the successful predictions of Christ, Paul, Old Testament prophets, early church fathers and mid and as of late. Heaven and earth will not passaway before the words of Christ will and Helis message of salvation will go to the utter ends of the earth and spread everywhere and the gentiles will believe on Him even across the isles and ages and that his church (those who believe in Him) will endure thruout all ages and that His people would be his witness across nations and nationalities etc etc etc all prediction that were made by Christ, Paul and the Old Testament prophets and writings that have wildly and successfully come to pass. All.l predicted in the 1st century AD and before it all came to pass in history.
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Your bible has the gospels, which are to be what jesus supposedly wanted. This jesus prays to himself/his father, that there will be no splintering of the religion. Curiously enough, that prayer is evidently denied by himself/his father, which makes no sense whatsoever.
“20 “I ask not only on behalf of these, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us,[f] so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given them, so that they may be one, as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become completely one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24 Father, I desire that those also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory, which you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.” John 17
It appears that jesus isn’t god, and that this god wants the misery and murder that go along with the splintering of its religion. So your god is either malicious, or an idiot.
No one Christianity so, no true version of it, since not one of you can show that your version is the right one. And since nothing requires any version to be true, you have quite a problem.
Then you have the problem that Paul and jesus contradict each other repeatedly. If we are to believe the bible, it took very little time for this religion to disintegrate. Unsuprrisngly, there are no “successful predictions of christ” or paul, or the old testament prophets. Jesus fails to be the Jewish messiah. Paul claimed that the end times would be “soon” 2000+ years ago. The OT have claimed a Jewish messiah will come and yep, still 2000+ years and nothing.
Christians can’t even agree on what the bible verses mean, so the nonsense of heaven and earth not passing away is rather silly. If you can’t agree on what it means, then getting the many, many versions of this nonsense to the “ends of the earth” will achieve nothing at all. At the least you would have to get everyone worshipping the same version and that isn’t likely since Christianity keeps on splitting. With not one of you able to do what jesus promises (another failed prediction), no reason to believe any of you.
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The goal is that the world may believe. “So that the world may believe”. The Gospels and His people by His Spirit and grace have done quite the job. There have always been and will always be tares and wheat in His Kingdom as He predicted. In this mission, the wheat has been quite successful. From 12 to billions today, and even as in the 12, there was one tare, so there will be in the billions the tares. The success of Christianity in getting the gospel of salvation to the ends of the earth is unrivaled and was predicted before it happened by Jesus Himself, the prophets of old, Paul and the early church fathers and on down to 2025AD. The Gospel continues to be believed debated and discussed but most importantly believed upon for one’s own salvation.
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So your bible failed the “goal” completely. Christiains can’t agree on what jesus meant, on what he is, on how people are saved and on who is saved. You each teach a different “gospel” and not one of you can show that your nonsense is true.
There are billions of christians who each think the others are damned. Christanity is so splintered that it is no longer a majority world religion. Each of you frauds is sure that the others are the “tares”.
So, no, it doesn’t continue to be believed since you can’t agree on what is to be believed. It certainly is debated and discussed, and christians do the most of that sure that those other christians are wrong.
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Christianity has had and continues to have widespread and prior predicted success as many have and continue to trust in Jesus for their salvation. Jesus said that His cross will draw men unto Himself and His salvation would go to the ends of the earth as He predicted, the prophets foretold, Paul and the early church fathers both preNicene and post. The historical success is unprecedented. Just look at the cathedrals everywhere and church houses etc etc European history etc etc etc. There will and always have been the tares and the wheat and always will be. God bless…
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Again, there is no one christianity, so your claims of “widespread and prior predicted success” is false.
There are cathedrals everywhere, and there are churches of all other christian versions everywhere. That doesn’t make any of their claims true. There are also synagogues, temples, mosques, etc everywhere too.
Those cathedrals in europe were built on blood from the peasants and from indigenous people.
It’s always sweet when cultists are ever so sure they are the “wheat” and not one of you can even show that you are a true believer.
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However, Christianity fulfills the predictions of Scripture that the Gentiles and the world over would trust in Him for their salvation like no other. More Gentiles and the Isles would know of Genesis and the Tanakh all over the world because of Jesus like no other.
Synagogues don’t qualify. Judaism and Christianity are on radically different levels of success and widespreadedness. Islam comes 600 years later and the the Quran points to the Gospels and Jesus as aiding itself thus jumping off the success of Historic Christianity much like the Mormons and Jw’s do in modern times. Christianity a d Christianity alone fulfills these predictions of Scripture and thus we know what to look to as Gentiles to trust in for our salvation. Historic Christianity with all its differing modes of worship (yes) but central focus on Jesus Christ crucified and resurrection as our salvation. Jesus Himself said that His cross would draw all sorts men and women unto himself. I am one of them along with God knows how many others ever since those Gospels have gone out to the world with Paul’s writings and the rest.
Christians before the 4th century were persecuted on and off and hardly had a successful religion to jump off of like Islam and Mormons. You can argue Judaism but it was hardly the widespread religion Christianity had become when Islam got its success riding off of Christianity. So, I do not believe you are comparing apples with apples.
As far as people in the name of Christianity acting like non Christians against peasants and indigenous and what not. Jesus did predict the tares. Not every cathedral or church or house or prison or Roman coliseum where Christians had themselves been persecuted and ill treated were acting like the tares. Many endured hardships turning the other cheek and won many over to Jesus by acting like Jesus!
God bless…
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Again, completely false. Each Christian trusts a different version of their jesus since Christians cannot agree on what jesus wants, how he saves people, and who he saves.
It’s great how a fraud like you claims that “synagogues don’t qualify”. Judaism is just as fragmented as Christianity, and is wide spread considering how very few people convert to Judaism. They are still convinced they are the chosen people. The qu’ran doesn’t point to the gospels, since it claims jesus is no more than a prophet. It says Christianity is completely wrong.
You really are a poor liar. There is again no historic Christianity, since each Christian claims that only theirs is the correct version. Christianity doesn’t fulfill any predictions of scripture, since jesus himself prayed for no splintering. Curious how jesus’s own prayers fail miserably.
Amusingly, Paul repeatedly contradicts jesus, so your paulianity isn’t Christianity.
Christians have persecuted each other since the whole nonsense started, so no “successful religion” at all.
Every Christian attacks the other Christians and claims only they are acting like TrueChristians™. Curious how you all fail to be able to do what jesus promises to his true followers. Per y our own bible, you are a fraud. It’s great to see cultists call each other “tares” in their baseless delusions that they are the “wheat”.
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There are things just as with disciples and the new testament church that Paul had to correct them on and the church will continue to need this encouragement but there are also defining things that one is c9nsidered a Christian or not by like the crucifixion of Jesus that all who are Christian agree on like Jesus death burial and resurrection which many historians would disagree with you and definitely the New Testaments writers and Jesus Himself would disagree with you on.
As far as the Quran is concerned, just check out copolits points as to whether or not I’m a liar:
Yes, the Quran does reference the Gospels—known in Arabic as the Injeel—and acknowledges them as a divine revelation given to Jesus (Isa in Arabic). Here’s a breakdown of how the Quran engages with the Gospels:
📖 Quranic References to the Gospels
– Affirmation of Revelation: The Quran states that the Gospel was revealed by God to Jesus as guidance and light for the people.
– Surah 3:3–4: “He has sent down upon you Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel before as guidance for the people.”[
– Surah 5:46: “And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light…”
– Respect for Previous Scriptures: Muslims are taught to believe in all previous revelations, including the Torah, Psalms (Zabur), and Gospel.
– Surah 2:136: “Say, ‘We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob… and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord.’”
– No Explicit Claim of Corruption: While some Islamic scholars argue that the original Gospel message was altered over time, the Quran itself does not explicitly state that the Gospel was corrupted. Instead, it emphasizes the importance of divine revelation and warns against misrepresenting scripture.
🧠 Theological Implications
The Quran’s references to the Gospel are part of a broader theme: affirming the continuity of divine guidance through different prophets. It positions the Quran as the final revelation, while still honoring the messages that came before.
Would you like to explore how these references compare with Christian understandings of the Gospels? Or maybe dive into how Islamic tradition views Jesus and his teachings?
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